Star Trek: Strange New Worlds


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Umbran

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I don't know, but I've always wondered . . . . if there was ever a fear of casting POC as aliens and generating a backlash from minority groups. I'm not saying there would have been a backlash, just wondering if the casting directors had that worry . . . .

I heard (but have not seen direct examples) of Armin Shimmerman having to have some... delicate conversations about being a Jewish actor playing a greedy alien.
 

Dire Bare

Legend
I heard (but have not seen direct examples) of Armin Shimmerman having to have some... delicate conversations about being a Jewish actor playing a greedy alien.

I love Armin Shimmerman and what he did with the character of Quark . . . . but the Ferengi have always made me cringe, especially with the casting. DS9 did a lot to redeem some awful writing and casting choices of Next Gen with that alien species . . . .
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
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I am not interested in a conversation in which you repeatedly treat me like a person who has not bothered to examine their own position.

Okay. It is ended.

But I was trying to treat you like an intelligent person who was accidentally being ungenerous, and not a spiteful person who was being intolerant.
 


MrZeddaPiras

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You may have missed some of the subtext. That's the reason that Picard gave to Raffi. It may even be what he was telling himself. But it was pretty clear that one of the major reasons he went back there was because he'd essentially abandoned a young boy who he'd befriended, and was looking for closure.
No, I did get that. But I was replying to another comment to say that Picard did not go to the planet to hire the kid nor did he hire him due to the kid’s devotion to him.
 


MrZeddaPiras

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Yeah, when fans started crying about the evil Federation in both ST: Discovery and ST: Picard, my thought was, "Have you ever watched Next Gen or DS9?!?!"

I don't think the Federation was ever portrayed as evil, in new Trek or old. They used to be portrayed as an effective, rational and enlightened organization. Now they're kind of... moody, I guess.

I just finished a Next Gen re-watch, and every time somebody showed up in an admiral's uniform I got suspicious they were corrupt, incompetent, uncaring about civilians, or at least big ol' jerks.

I think a major difference is that in Next Gen, the corrupt admiral was gone and dealt with by the episode's end. In new-Trek, they remain foils and antagonists for an entire season!

That's a common narrative convention of Star Trek: the captain's chair is where a person can really make a difference, and higher-ups are politicians and bureaucrats that needs to be reminded the values Star Fleet uphold. Note that there are a number of situations where the opposite is true, and admirals need to remind captains that they're there to do a job and not to philosophy.
 

Umbran

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That's a common narrative convention of Star Trek: the captain's chair is where a person can really make a difference, and higher-ups are politicians and bureaucrats that needs to be reminded the values Star Fleet uphold.

Interestingly, we wind up jumping straight over the period where Picard was himself an admiral...

I have to wonder if someone could work that out as an interesting novel or TV show - Star Trek: Admirals.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
Umm, going with hand to hand weapons isn't really out of place in Star Trek is it? I mean, Klingons go in with knives and bat-leths (or however you spell that) pretty much every episode that features Klingons. Granted, fair enough, Romulan ninja is a bit out there, but, not really any further out there than most of the ideas.

I gotta echo the sentiment of "that's what you find out of place?"
Also, a stronger faster person with enough training absolutely can destroy someone with a gun as long as they start within quick sprinting difference.

So, Romulan assassins with melee weapons make sense. They aren’t as practical as snipers, but practicality has never actually been what primarily determined whether people do stuff. 🤷‍♂️
 

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