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What do you think of Marvel post-Endgame?
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RangerWickett
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I have enjoyed each of the movies as I watched them, even if for most of them I afterward felt like a few changes could have made them tighter.
I did really like Shang-Chi, and my only complaint was how non-lethal the villain's minions were.
Black Widow probably would have been really cool if it had come out in 2017, but I generally loathe prequels.
Spider-Man in Europe was pretty good. Spider-Man in nostalgiaville was also pretty good. The world building and logic of how society is responding to the blip is not as fleshed out as I'd like.
Eternals worked. Again, I would like some indication that the rest of the world is responding to these crazy events. I do wish the plot did not have some contrivances. Like, if Rob Stark doesn't take Salma Hayek back to her ranch, the good guys never find out what's going on, and the world is destroyed. Also, how in the hell did the alien monster things know that the main characters were going to be going to the South American rainforest, such that they were able to travel all the way from what, Canada, Alaska? On foot? To arrive just in time to attack them?
I know. I know. Comic book logic.
I felt that the multiverse of madness did a bad job creating its villain. I could see that character becoming a villain, but the movie did not do the work to show it, and make it compelling. Instead of having a strongly motivated villain, it had someone who was basically insane, and thus is more of someone to pity as a victim, rather than root for the defeat of.
Okay. Clearly I care a lot about the MCU.
The Loki TV show was great, even though it did not involve the character Loki, because I believe he did not ever at all trick anyone.
Wanda vision was really groundbreaking. I can forgive the ending not quite landing because the pandemic messed it up.
Falcon and the Winter soldier likewise, had some great stuff, but seemed messed up by the pandemic forcing rewrites.
I had a lot of fun with Hawkeye, even though kingpin felt very different from his appearance in Daredevil.
I'm very much enjoying Ms. Marvel.
I did really like Shang-Chi, and my only complaint was how non-lethal the villain's minions were.
Black Widow probably would have been really cool if it had come out in 2017, but I generally loathe prequels.
Spider-Man in Europe was pretty good. Spider-Man in nostalgiaville was also pretty good. The world building and logic of how society is responding to the blip is not as fleshed out as I'd like.
Eternals worked. Again, I would like some indication that the rest of the world is responding to these crazy events. I do wish the plot did not have some contrivances. Like, if Rob Stark doesn't take Salma Hayek back to her ranch, the good guys never find out what's going on, and the world is destroyed. Also, how in the hell did the alien monster things know that the main characters were going to be going to the South American rainforest, such that they were able to travel all the way from what, Canada, Alaska? On foot? To arrive just in time to attack them?
I know. I know. Comic book logic.
I felt that the multiverse of madness did a bad job creating its villain. I could see that character becoming a villain, but the movie did not do the work to show it, and make it compelling. Instead of having a strongly motivated villain, it had someone who was basically insane, and thus is more of someone to pity as a victim, rather than root for the defeat of.
Okay. Clearly I care a lot about the MCU.
The Loki TV show was great, even though it did not involve the character Loki, because I believe he did not ever at all trick anyone.
Wanda vision was really groundbreaking. I can forgive the ending not quite landing because the pandemic messed it up.
Falcon and the Winter soldier likewise, had some great stuff, but seemed messed up by the pandemic forcing rewrites.
I had a lot of fun with Hawkeye, even though kingpin felt very different from his appearance in Daredevil.
I'm very much enjoying Ms. Marvel.
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Ms Marvel miiiiiight be my favorite D+ MCU series thus far. It's a great-looking show with a strong cast, and it's charming as all get-out.
We tried it, but American high school children is a hard sell for us. We have up after a couple of episodes.
TheHand
Adventurer
I feel like the movies have been very uneven and disconnected in this Phase, where everything before felt much more interwoven and connected (esp after Phase 2). The movies have been mostly "fine", but a few notes:
1) I felt like ScarJo got a weak send-off in her own movie. Florence Pugh took center stage and it felt like her movie. While she was great in the role, it felt like the writing gave Black Widow herself a very mediocre story, a disappointing finale for a character we've seen since Iron Man 2.
2) Shang-Chi was "fun" and I enjoyed it, but it didn't really stick with me. It kind of glossed over the best stuff between Shang-Chi and his father at the end, then just became a giant CGI war that felt like a weird sequel to the other Disney dragon movie with Akwafina.
3) Spider-Man: Far From Home: Another "this was fine" movie. Probably the weakest of the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies for me. Never gave it a second watch.
4) Eternals: This one really seemed like wasted potential to me. I was really looking forward to a deep dive into the MCU's take on the Celestials and it left me pretty underwhelmed. It really didn't feel like an MCU movie to me in the end, and I don't think I need to revisit any of those characters.
5) Spider-Man: No Way Home: The best of this Phase. Leaned into the nostalgia, yes, but somehow it made it all work!
6) Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness: I'd call this one good, not great. My biggest gripe would be that I wanted some more character moments, but it seemed like it started running with the action and never gave us a chance to breathe.
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NOW the Marvel TV shows on the other hand I've really been enjoying. I think the Marvel team must have their A-List team working on those. I think even the weakest Marvel TV show is better than most of the Phase 4 movies. My enjoyment of those, best to least is:
1) I felt like ScarJo got a weak send-off in her own movie. Florence Pugh took center stage and it felt like her movie. While she was great in the role, it felt like the writing gave Black Widow herself a very mediocre story, a disappointing finale for a character we've seen since Iron Man 2.
2) Shang-Chi was "fun" and I enjoyed it, but it didn't really stick with me. It kind of glossed over the best stuff between Shang-Chi and his father at the end, then just became a giant CGI war that felt like a weird sequel to the other Disney dragon movie with Akwafina.
3) Spider-Man: Far From Home: Another "this was fine" movie. Probably the weakest of the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies for me. Never gave it a second watch.
4) Eternals: This one really seemed like wasted potential to me. I was really looking forward to a deep dive into the MCU's take on the Celestials and it left me pretty underwhelmed. It really didn't feel like an MCU movie to me in the end, and I don't think I need to revisit any of those characters.
5) Spider-Man: No Way Home: The best of this Phase. Leaned into the nostalgia, yes, but somehow it made it all work!
6) Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness: I'd call this one good, not great. My biggest gripe would be that I wanted some more character moments, but it seemed like it started running with the action and never gave us a chance to breathe.
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NOW the Marvel TV shows on the other hand I've really been enjoying. I think the Marvel team must have their A-List team working on those. I think even the weakest Marvel TV show is better than most of the Phase 4 movies. My enjoyment of those, best to least is:
- Moon Knight (Loved this character since I was a kid)
- Wanda Vision
- Ms Marvel (could beat Wanda/Moon Knight by the end)
- Loki
- Falcon & Winter Soldier
- Hawkeye
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Very true. Though, I did like Obi-Wan Kenobi and the Mandalorian.Well, you don’t care for things in general.
For more recent MCU offerings, I really enjoyed Thor Ragnarok and the Guardians of the Galaxy movies.
I enjoyed all of these films, too.
I have also enjoyed the TV shows, which are not technically part of the movie Phase, but deserve a bit of a mention as well.
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The Elephant in the Room (she/her)
My thoughts:
Black Widow - Great movie, one of the best in the MCU. Certainly has more humanity than most of the series, and I say that as someone who loves the action punchy laser shooty spectacle of it all as well.
Shang-Chi - This was fun. Trevor felt entirely unnecessary and I didn't particularly enjoy his contributions, and I say that as someone who loved the Iron Man 3 twist.
Spider-Man 2 - Great movie, Jake G nailed it as Mysterio. Again, nothing in the MCU really rises above "that was really fun" but yeah, this was really fun.
Eternals - To quote one review I saw: "the only remotely relatable thing in this movie is that I, too, would fly straight into the sun if Gemma Chan broke up me." I appreciate they were trying something new here. I just also wished it had been good. Or even... not terrible.
Spider-Mans - Again a really great movie. Andrew G stole the show for me.
Doctor Strange - Started out pretty weak, but built to a hell of a climax. I don't even like Stephen that much. It was just really good. Way to finally give Elizabeth Olsen something interesting to do. And Rachel McAdams too! Two of the generations' legitimately greatest actresses finally get something to do in a Marvel movie.
Oh yeah I guess there's the TV shows
Wandavision - Spectacular. Probably still the best overall piece of MCU content. The exploration of loss and grief. Vision dropping one the greatest lines in screenwriting history. The increasingly unsettling and ultimately tragic framing device. Randall Park doing card tricks. What's not to love?
Falcon & Winter Soldier - You could not pay me to watch this. How little I care.
Loki - This was fun, if not groundbreaking. Owen Wilson is brilliant, though.
What If... - Got about halfway through, I think? Some of the episodes were great (Zombies, Dr. Strange) the rest were varying degrees of <shrug>, though Captain Carter was at least fun to watch, as was the "holy crap Ant-Man is terrifying" moment. Just couldn't bring myself to care about any of it,
Hawkeye - Kate and Yelena are best girls and I will not hear anything otherwise. Speaking of some of the best actresses of their generation. Clint I could take or leave though. Preferably leave.
Moon Knight - Watched the first two episodes or so. It was fun. I keep meaning to finish it, but it didn't really grab me.
Ms. Marvel - Some of the best directing in the MCU, and holy hell what a find Iman Vellani is turning out to be. Still only two episodes in so far, but I have every intention of catching back up when I can. Could be my new favorite MCU thing.
Black Widow - Great movie, one of the best in the MCU. Certainly has more humanity than most of the series, and I say that as someone who loves the action punchy laser shooty spectacle of it all as well.
Shang-Chi - This was fun. Trevor felt entirely unnecessary and I didn't particularly enjoy his contributions, and I say that as someone who loved the Iron Man 3 twist.
Spider-Man 2 - Great movie, Jake G nailed it as Mysterio. Again, nothing in the MCU really rises above "that was really fun" but yeah, this was really fun.
Eternals - To quote one review I saw: "the only remotely relatable thing in this movie is that I, too, would fly straight into the sun if Gemma Chan broke up me." I appreciate they were trying something new here. I just also wished it had been good. Or even... not terrible.
Spider-Mans - Again a really great movie. Andrew G stole the show for me.
Doctor Strange - Started out pretty weak, but built to a hell of a climax. I don't even like Stephen that much. It was just really good. Way to finally give Elizabeth Olsen something interesting to do. And Rachel McAdams too! Two of the generations' legitimately greatest actresses finally get something to do in a Marvel movie.
Oh yeah I guess there's the TV shows
Wandavision - Spectacular. Probably still the best overall piece of MCU content. The exploration of loss and grief. Vision dropping one the greatest lines in screenwriting history. The increasingly unsettling and ultimately tragic framing device. Randall Park doing card tricks. What's not to love?
Falcon & Winter Soldier - You could not pay me to watch this. How little I care.
Loki - This was fun, if not groundbreaking. Owen Wilson is brilliant, though.
What If... - Got about halfway through, I think? Some of the episodes were great (Zombies, Dr. Strange) the rest were varying degrees of <shrug>, though Captain Carter was at least fun to watch, as was the "holy crap Ant-Man is terrifying" moment. Just couldn't bring myself to care about any of it,
Hawkeye - Kate and Yelena are best girls and I will not hear anything otherwise. Speaking of some of the best actresses of their generation. Clint I could take or leave though. Preferably leave.
Moon Knight - Watched the first two episodes or so. It was fun. I keep meaning to finish it, but it didn't really grab me.
Ms. Marvel - Some of the best directing in the MCU, and holy hell what a find Iman Vellani is turning out to be. Still only two episodes in so far, but I have every intention of catching back up when I can. Could be my new favorite MCU thing.
I think they're doing fine as individual movies. Eternals wasn't a disappointment because I had my expectations set very, very low but it was definitely the weakest of the post-Engame films. Haven't seen Doctor Strange yet tho - we were going to go to the theater and then my wife got covid. We'll probably watch it this weekend.
I've been enjoying the TV shows a bit more than the films tbh. Moon Knight and Ms Marvel are possibly benefiting from recency bias but they are both really good, and I enjoyed a recent rewatch of Wandavision as well. Loki was great, Hawkeye was fine - enjoyable and I wouldn't say no if my family wanted to watch it again but I'm not champing at the bit to do it. The only dud for me so far was Falcon and Winter Soldier - which I thought was really a dropped ball at the time (especially the ending - it has the most wishy-washy, nonsensical and disappointing ending of a Marvel series so far IMO) but I've read they had to change things up and rush things along a lot because of covid and everything after has been better so I buy it. I just have no desire to go back and watch it again.
I've been enjoying the TV shows a bit more than the films tbh. Moon Knight and Ms Marvel are possibly benefiting from recency bias but they are both really good, and I enjoyed a recent rewatch of Wandavision as well. Loki was great, Hawkeye was fine - enjoyable and I wouldn't say no if my family wanted to watch it again but I'm not champing at the bit to do it. The only dud for me so far was Falcon and Winter Soldier - which I thought was really a dropped ball at the time (especially the ending - it has the most wishy-washy, nonsensical and disappointing ending of a Marvel series so far IMO) but I've read they had to change things up and rush things along a lot because of covid and everything after has been better so I buy it. I just have no desire to go back and watch it again.
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