Whistle blower says non-human bodies recovered from crash

[doctorbadwolf]

I think you underestimate the utility of an entire alien ecosystem. It's far larger, more varied and more complex than anything you're easily going to be able to build artificially. It's not that it allows you to do anything major that you couldn't already do, it's that it allows you to operate on far greater scales than you could anywhere else, beyond your own native ecosystem - and you probably prefer not to mess with that one too much.

It’s possible that you’re skipping past the downsides, and underestimating the benefits of controlled biomes. If a pathogen kills everything in your biome-farm on Mars, it’s one of hundreds and it’s focused on a type of product.

If it happens in a naturally evolved planet-wide biome, you’ve lost exponentially more.

It’s also easier to avoid in a controlled environment, and you can grow biologically incompatible things in one facility when the facility is a series of biome bubbles in orbit or on a moon or small planet.

Hell, even a planet, a FTL civ can’t yeet ice moons at rocky planets and seed a fast growing atmosphere-building algae to help turn that water into atmosphere? Like, we can’t, but we aren’t an FTL civilization.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Hell, even a planet, a FTL civ can’t yeet ice moons at rocky planets and seed a fast growing atmosphere-building algae to help turn that water into atmosphere? Like, we can’t, but we aren’t an FTL civilization.

Civilizations inevitably die out once they start saying "yeet," unfortunately.

 

[Reynard]

I mostly agree where I think it breaks down is if; it is possible to live in space habitats by extracting base materials and energy requirements from the easily available materials in asteroids and cometary cores. While I agree that this is a big if, I am also not aware of any real showstoppers in the current science.

Unfortunately we only have example of a mostly self contained habitat existing on long time scales while moving through the interstellar medium.

And thirdly (also a pretty big if) this civilization can spread to the star systems Kuiper Belt and Oort Cloud, then on galactic time scales that civilization should spread throughout the habitable zone of the galaxy.

I don't think there is any reason to think that existence within the solar system on habitables translates to the very long term needs of existence in interstellar space where there aren't billions of ice and mudballs to harvest. An interstellar habitat would have to be nearly completely self contained with only trace gas and dust to harvest.

I leave as an exercise for the reader, if they were tooling around in the Oort Cloud would we notice them? I really have my doubts.

Exactly. But they wouldn't have to even be extrtasolar. For all we know the clouds of Jupiter are teeming with life.

 

[UngainlyTitan]

Unfortunately we only have example of a mostly self contained habitat existing on long time scales while moving through the interstellar medium.

True 'dat.

I don't think there is any reason to think that existence within the solar system on habitables translates to the very long term needs of existence in interstellar space where there aren't billions of ice and mudballs to harvest. An interstellar habitat would have to be nearly completely self contained with only trace gas and dust to harvest.

My view, is that interstellar transfer does not take place via deliberate excursions across the interstellar medium but opportunistic transfer when stars systems get close enough, for the local habitats are close enough to bodies of a close approach star system. It is a matter of fact that star systems get close enough for the Oort clouds merge or are a short voyage from a habitat already in to the area.

Exactly. But they wouldn't have to even be extrtasolar. For all we know the clouds of Jupiter are teeming with life.

Exactly, nothing leaps out at us but that does not mean with there is nothing there.

 

[JAMUMU]

Civilizations inevitably die out once they start saying "yeet," unfortunately.

What the chief-scienticians of the Galactic Council call the "Kanye Threshold".

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Civilizations inevitably die out once they start saying "yeet," unfortunately.

Yeah…I’m fairly serious when it comes to someone mocking the vernacular of the youth and of lower socio-economic demographics, so I can’t say I see the humor here.

 

[Reynard]

My view, is that interstellar transfer does not take place via deliberate excursions across the interstellar medium but opportunistic transfer when stars systems get close enough, for the local habitats are close enough to bodies of a close approach star system. It is a matter of fact that star systems get close enough for the Oort clouds merge or are a short voyage from a habitat already in to the area.

That is an interesting idea but I don't think it qualifies as interstellar travel in the context of the discussion.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Yeah…I’m fairly serious when it comes to someone mocking the vernacular of the youth and of lower socio-economic demographics, so I can’t say I see the humor here.

I am pretty sure the younger generations will survive this

 

[UngainlyTitan]

That is an interesting idea but I don't think it qualifies as interstellar travel in the context of the discussion.

Perhaps, not (and the idea is not original to me) but I think that it is a viable expansion model. The more I think on it, it also sidesteps the Fermi Paradox.
Because the answer it provides is that they are here (for Oort Cloud/Kuiper Belt values of near) and in a way that we would not notice them anytime soon.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I am pretty sure the younger generations will survive this

Irrelevant, but okay