D&D 5E Should martial characters be mundane or supernatural?

[Oofta]

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[Micah Sweet]

Having played roughly a million control mirrors, I can assure you there is a type of person who enjoys it, regardless of being on the receiving end or not.

I'm sure there is. Do you think all the people who like it are also all the people who like playing games like D&D?

 

[Micah Sweet]

You've mentioned this before, but it remains not really correct. There have been various Ux or Uxx decks which have been permission based throughout Standard, and most other formats, for decades on end.

Hearthstone is the 'fix' for this, and its a pale childlike imitator at best.



Maturity, is the fix for this. It is a game, and it offers answers beyond 'I get to do what I want, your turn!'

So the answer is, "suck it up, whoever's irritated"?

 

[Scribe]

I'm sure there is. Do you think all the people who like it are also all the people who like playing games like D&D?

Do I think there is a single monolith of player preference?

looks around

 

[Scribe]

So the answer is, "suck it up, whoever's irritated"?

When it comes down to what I believe is objectively better game design?

Yes sir.

 

[Oofta]

I like the concept of mage duels but counterspell is just boring. I've played in games where multiple counterspells went off on the same turn (A casts spell, B counters, A counters B's counter, C counters A's counter of B's counter, etc.). Brings the game to a halt.

I thought they were tweaking it for the 2024 edition, so we'll see.

 

[Minigiant]

My question is: how do you make that strategy not immensely frustrating for players and GM alike? I have seen it from both sides, and IMO Counterspell always generates a NPE for somebody.

Like I said. MTG figured it out decades ago and works for the same company.

Forget Counterspell. Cast Negate.

https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?format=%7C%5B%22Standard%22%5D&text=+%5B%22counter%20target%22%5D

 

[Minigiant]

You've mentioned this before, but it remains not really correct. There have been various Ux or Uxx decks which have been permission based throughout Standard, and most other formats, for decades on end.

Hearthstone is the 'fix' for this, and its a pale childlike imitator at best.

Permission isn't the problem.

Boring lame "Counter target spell" is the problem. MTG aged out Counterspell. D&D is still using it.

 

[Oofta]

Like I said. MTG figured it out decades ago and works for the same company.

Forget Counterspell. Cast Negate.

https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?format=%7C%5B%22Standard%22%5D&text=+%5B%22counter%20target%22%5D

Not seeing how that would apply to D&D. Then again, I played all of 1 game with a nephew when it first came out.

 

[Scribe]

Permission isn't the problem.

Boring lame "Counter target spell" is the problem. MTG aged out Counterspell. D&D is still using it.

It really didn't.

Disruption Protocol

{U}{U} • Instant • As an additional cost to cast this spell, tap an untapped artifact you control or pay {1}. Counter target spell. • Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty (NEO) #51 • Illustrated by Pauline Voss • Magic: The Gathering, MTG

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Dissipate

{1}{U}{U} • Instant • Counter target spell. If that spell is countered this way, exile it instead of putting it into its owner's graveyard. • Innistrad: Midnight Hunt (MID) #49 • Illustrated by David Palumbo • Magic: The Gathering, MTG

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Those are both Standard legal, along with FORTY other results that are countering.