D&D 5E Do we need a Fifth Edition Revival (5ER)?

[mamba]

Certainly MCDM and EN Publishing have taken their shots at improving on the baseline, as has Kobold Press, although more conservatively (by just going off a more strict numerical baseline than WotC does).

Do you mean the MCDM RPG? That to me is not a 5e game. If you mean Flee Mortals and all the other 5e stuff, then yes. Not necessarily the direction I was talking about though As to KP and C7, too early to have any opinion for me

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Do you mean the MCDM RPG?

No.

That to me is not a 5e game. If you mean Flee Mortals and all the other 5e stuff, then yes. Not necessarily the direction I was talking about though As to KP and C7, too early to have any opinion for me

I don't think MCDM's approach to changing up the monster game -- "you know what we need here? MORE RULES" -- is the way I'd go to reinvent how monsters, etc., work in 5E, but at least they're taking a shot.

 

[mamba]

Are you thinking of something like 5 Torches Deep?
There might be some other lowered powered 5e variants as well - I'm not sure, maybe Professor DungeonMaster's "Deathbringer?"

Haven't taken a closer look at those. 5TD felt a too barebones, but yes that general direction.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Are you thinking of something like 5 Torches Deep?
There might be some other lowered powered 5e variants as well - I'm not sure, maybe Professor DungeonMaster's "Deathbringer?"

If you bring the level cap down to 10, "more flexible/versatile over B/X," grittier action and less superheroic gets you to Shadowdark.

 

[overgeeked]

compatibility with WotC adventures does not mean you cannot have innovation there. I was looking at it from a TTRPG perspective, to innovate adventures you do not even need a different game

Except it does. You can’t innovate if you have to color within predefined lines.

The OSR is largely compatible with TSR adventures and monsters, isn't it? Maybe not at the fringes, but at the core

Depends entirely on the game in question. Some yes, some no.

 

[MichaelSomething]

Who are these people? And given that's such a silly goal -- that's like trying to take Disney down -- why worry about them?

I've been advocating for the takedown of WOTC for a while now. I just need a way to unite all the different fractions under a common banner. Hopefully, the ORC license will do the trick.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I've been advocating for the takedown of WOTC for a while now. I just need a way to unite all the different fractions under a common banner. Hopefully, the ORC license will do the trick.

I just ask that you listen to Sancho Panza when he wants to sleep in town and get a good meal once in a while.

 

[Micah Sweet]

let it fracture, as long as they remain largely compatible that is not a problem, heck some moving away from compatibility is not a problem either


which probably means the 3pps should remain mostly compatible, that way there is a lot of stuff to use with their games


maybe controversial, but with AI art, that is not really a problem for one person 3pps, and it already wasn’t one with real artists for the larger 3pps

I am also not sure how important art really is, the Manual of the Planes on DMsG had none, and is selling pretty well from what I’ve heard

I've never considered art all that important. Nice to have, but not all that important. One of many ways the OSR suits me.

 

[Micah Sweet]

I think this is spot on. The OSR is a small pond, with a small amount of ducks that swim in it and are interested in it. So all those ducks can hang there and talk there and produce there and learn from each other there as much as they want and have no worries or distractions of anything that is outside of that OSR pond.

But right now Dungeons & Dragons 5E is Lake Superior by comparison. It is so huge that (general) you can't even see the far side of it, let alone every single duck that is swimming in it. And even if (general) you find those few ducks you like... they are surrounded by thousands of other ducks all quacking about their own 5E stuff and you'll never be able to just focus on those few you want.

Like if anyone actually wants to find 5E Revival-like places to talk seriously with other people who want to focus on it... places like here at E.N. World in the general Dungeons & Dragons thread sure as heck ain't the place to do it. Cause any thread they make here there is going to be at minimum 6 to 10 other posters who show up to tell them why they're wrong. Or people wanting to use DMs Guild as their publishing location for their Revival material... that's not going to work to their satisfaction, because it'll just get lost amongst the thousands of other products that are made for 5E-- most of which are done with the expressed purpose of making money and not for some sort of creative epiphany kind of thing.

So any 5E Revival thing has to go find some little obscure corner of the internet and lock themselves off away from everyone else who plays 5E-- put up that red velvet rope and only allow those in who actually think more "esoteric" DIY 5E design is needed or cool or better or whatever. Because if they don't... all their stuff is going to just get swallowed up and lost in the shuffle like everything else 5E related, and the people involved will get surrounded by the thousands of other 5E enthusiasts who just don't care about the Revival like they do.

It can maybe work... it just can't work in places like this.

I wish I could disagree. Where could you possibly discuss 5e where every discussion isn't inundated with WotC talk?

 

[Micah Sweet]

Maybe for you, but for me and everyone else I know 5E is a better game. It will never be perfect but it's the best selling TTRPG ever in part because it's a good game. I'm not getting into edition wars but I think you will find very few people that agree with you.

To each their own.

5e can be "a good game" and still not be best at anything in particular (except putting money in WotC's pockets).