D&D General Explain Bounded Accuracy to Me (As if I Was Five)

[ezo]

Or ordering food, keeping tabs on your kids, staying on call for work, or any of the billions of uses for a handheld computer connected to the collective intelligence of humanity and also D&D forums.

EXACTLY!!! Do those things on your OWN time, not during game time with others.

Oh, but you know what, you can always do those things during the game BREAKS! Jeez...

 

[Thomas Shey]

EXACTLY!!! Do those things on your OWN time, not during game time with others.

Oh, but you know what, you can always do those things during the game BREAKS! Jeez...

I'll just point out that some of those come up when they come up and you have nothing to say about it. If your boss calls you during the game, ignoring him is more than a little fraught.

 

[Lanefan]

I'll just point out that some of those come up when they come up and you have nothing to say about it. If your boss calls you during the game, ignoring him is more than a little fraught.

Only if you're supposed to be at work at the time.

Your off hours are your own, and if (other than legitimate emergencies) a boss can't respect that it might be time to look for a different boss.

 

[ezo]

I'll just point out that some of those come up when they come up and you have nothing to say about it. If your boss calls you during the game, ignoring him is more than a little fraught.

Sure, but there's a BIG difference between:

"Hey, everyone, something at work is going on so I might get a call from my boss. I'll keep the phone on vibrate but might check it once in a while."

and

"Huh? What? Oh, yeah, I was just watching a tiktok video. My turn? What's going on? Oh, my character got hit! Man, I didn't even know that."

 

[Thomas Shey]

Only if you're supposed to be at work at the time.

If you think a lot of bosses are concerned about you being avowedly on your own time or that ignoring them whether you are or not can not have consequences, you've been much more fortunate and stable in your work situations than a lot of people are.

Your off hours are your own, and if (other than legitimate emergencies) a boss can't respect that it might be time to look for a different boss.

And this shows you have. Really ask around about a lot of people's work situations--and their limited options--and I think you'll be (unpleasantly) surprised.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Sure, but there's a BIG difference between:

"Hey, everyone, something at work is going on so I might get a call from my boss. I'll keep the phone on vibrate but might check it once in a while."

and

"Huh? What? Oh, yeah, I was just watching a tiktok video. My turn? What's going on? Oh, my character got hit! Man, I didn't even know that."

Sure, but you seemed to generalize more than a bit past that.

 

[ECMO3]

While I agreed with pretty much everything else you said, I think this undervalues the time commitment people put into an RPG to not understand why a group taking a TPK can be upsetting, at least if its at all into the game. There are a pretty large number of people who don't exactly enjoy taking a TPK with experienced characters, and I think your statement above is privileging your own take here as badly as some of the people you're addressing.

Perhaps. I remember vividly when as a DM I TPKed my daughters party when she was 13. She cried all night. I chalked it up to age.

I would argue though that this sort of emotional attachment, while real, is not healthy for gaming and should not drive the play of other players.

 

[ECMO3]

Nobody is talking about pro basketball levels of commitment. You keep veering back to that as a touchstone to tilt at windmills from.

Yes session zero is often about setting boundaries, it's also about setting expectations though and "I don't actually care about playing this game, don't expect anything from me" is the sort of critically important expectation for a player to set asap during such a discussion.

I think "don't expect anything from me" is the default and if you want something else you need to state it.

The bottom line here is player agency, if you expect something specific out of me as a player you need to state it, otherwise anything which is not anti-social or malicious is acceptable.

 

[ECMO3]

Whether or not a spellcaster can be "simple" oftentimes comes down to just how many rules the game gives to casters the player actually engages with.

I don't find full casters particularly complicated and I think keeping track of class and subclass abilities is far more difficult than keeping track of spells.

The most complex character I have played as a player is the current 19th level Drow Fighter11/Paladin6/Warlock2 I am playing. For the first time in a long time I am having some difficulty remembering everything, but it is all the abilities not the spells that I am finding difficult.

 

[tetrasodium]

I think "don't expect anything from me" is the default and if you want something else you need to state it.

The bottom line here is player agency, if you expect something specific out of me as a player you need to state it, otherwise anything which is not anti-social or malicious is acceptable.

I'm sorry. Not even the most extreme "give them what they want" edition phb supports this rude & extreme teen spirit interpretation. You only need to go as far as the very first page of text after the ToC (Pg4) in order to crash into "Go forth now. Read the rules of the game ". That coincidentally is even a somewhat higher bar than has been talked about.