ATTACK! MCDM's new rpg and removing the to-hit roll

[Andvari]

The HeroQuest board game from ‘89 also determines damage by subtracting the defender’s defense from the attacker’s attack. I suspect it’s a rule that has been implemented in a substantial number of ways for decades.

Descent does something very similar. Both use custom dice, although Descent is more complex due to special die faces.

 

[pemerton]

In combat no one rolls to hit. Only the damage dice. If you don't do enough damage to get thru armor your opponent can counter, a small bit of static damage that goes thru armor, no dice rolled at all. If you roll max damage (a crit) you get a free action, or another attack.

Damage on a miss!

 

[darjr]

Damage on a miss!

Ugh. No, if you're roll doesn't get past their armor threshold there isn't any damage done.

Wasn't someone just defending you? Saying that you don't inject this inanity into every thread?

I wish you'd stop.

 

[overgeeked]

Ugh. No, if you're damage doesn't get past their armor threshold there isn't any damage done.

Wasn't someone just defending you that you don't inject this inanity into every thread?

I'd wish you'd stop.

Some posters have their pet complaints that they have to throw into every thread they can.

 

[darjr]

Yes exactly. This is actually designing TTRPGs. Actually having ideas. Actually having some kind of vision and intention.

I think this is unfair. WotC and MCDM have entirely different goals. One is trying to update a game and satisfy a much larger existing audience for that very game, while the other is trying to make their own very brand new thing.

WotC designers have a ton of constraints that they need to satisfy and MCDM designers mostly don't.

Also MCDM's designing process is VERY transparent, in large part because that's also a product itself, that transparency. WotC isn't selling access to a view to any of the internal design process.

 

[mamba]

Also MCDM's designing process is VERY transparent, in large part because that's also a product itself, that transparency. WotC isn't selling access to a view to any of the internal design process.

they do not need to sell it to make it available. Crawford finds all kinds of reasons to talk to us in a video already

 

[darjr]

they do not need to sell it to make it available. Crawford finds all kinds of reasons to talk to us in a video already

Good point. Now that I think about it I don’t want to make this thread about WoTC. There is another thread better suited to it.

 

[aramis erak]

In combat no one rolls to hit. Only the damage dice. If you don't do enough damage to get thru armor your opponent can counter, a small bit of static damage that goes thru armor, no dice rolled at all. If you roll max damage (a crit) you get a free action, or another attack.

Tunnels and Trolls has done that since 1975.

 

[pemerton]

If you don't do enough damage to get thru armor your opponent can counter, a small bit of static damage that goes thru armor, no dice rolled at all.

if you're roll doesn't get past their armor threshold there isn't any damage done.

It's a joke.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I think this is unfair. WotC and MCDM have entirely different goals. One is trying to update a game and satisfy a much larger existing audience for that very game, while the other is trying to make their own very brand new thing.

WotC designers have a ton of constraints that they need to satisfy and MCDM designers mostly don't.

I'm not just talking about WotC, I'm also talking about Kobold Press and others.

The constraints aren't the issue - the lack of even attempting good design within constraints is part of the issue, but the biggest issue is a total lack of vision - and it's not unique to WotC.