Ziona said:
You know, Wolfspider, you're right. Doc said not to read this post. I will not lie by saying I didn't read the whole thing, (i read most by skimming, but it was read nonetheless.) I guess what really gets me is that almost each and everyone of you said we had no right to do what we did. Who says? It's a game, and can be played a thousand different ways.
Actually, what most of us said was you had no right to still be alive. Doc asked us for the tactics a White Great Wyrm Dragon would use, in the situation you already played through and what he would likely do afterwards. If Doc would play the Dragon even close to it's full potential, your PCs should all be eradicated. Your PCs have every right to charge blindly into an encounter that's over their heads, but you shouldn't expect the DM to spare you just because your PCs were stupid.
People have said we disrespected our DM by attacking the dragon & that's silly as well. Doc was involved in Xaltar's campaign when we've pulled similar manuvers, and he had no problem with it then when he was the player.
And... so? All that means is Docs character in Xaltars campaign should be equally dead. As for you disrespecting your DM, you disrespected him by reading this thread when he, in the first line of his post, told you not to. That alone proves you have zero respect for the guy running this campaign.
Another thing that gets me is that nearly all of you said to TPK, which (although obviously this is what the dragon would like) destroys Doc's game.
First off, like Wolfspider said, the campaign will eventually die anyway if encounters like this continue, and the lack of respect for the DM remains. Second, you keep complaining that your characters shouldn't be killed because what they did was "in character", and then you admit that the in character response for the Dragon would be to eliminate your party, but say it would "destroy the game". Sounds like a double standard to me.
Any new characters we make after a TPK will have no ties to the current story line, so there would be no point in continuing what our heroes were doing.
As I said earlier, there are several ways to continue in the campaign world, and at this point I wonder if you all wouldn't be better off restarting anyway.
Also, if Doc completely ruins the characters (by taking each and everything they have) this renders them useless. I don't think sending a dragon to a sleeping party and destroying them while they are helpless is fun for Doc or the players. My concern is that your advice is going to destroy Doc's campaign.
That is utter crap. Your concern isn't with the campaign, your concern is with the fact your precious items might be taken away, or your character might be killed. You obviously don't give a rats arse about this campaign or the DM running it, otherwise you wouldn't be reading this thread.
Besides that, you're right about something. We should not have read this thread. Because I read this thread, I got angry by what I saw posted by people I don't know and took it out on Doc. But, in the end, if it helps save his campaign, or helps us all communicate better while gaming, then it was worth the trouble.
Yet more utter crap. I don't see how it helps "save" Docs campaign when his players read a thread he specifically told them not to, ruin all the careful planning he has made, as well as the advice he got from the other posters, and helps your group better "communicate". If anything, I'd say this would cut back on your "communication". If your DM can't even trust you to do a simple thing like not reading this thread, why should he trust you with anything else?
That's what I see as our biggest problem...communication. I'm not going to continue posting on a board talking to people I don't know about the issues we had with last week's game. I'll discuss it with Doc & the players since that's the only way things will get resolved.
If you don't even respect your DM enough to stay out of the cookie jar he told you not to touch, I don't think there's much you are going to "resolve".
Now that I've read the things I posted in anger last night, I see that I was harsh, too. But, I think you still have no right to say that we have direspected our DM by our gaming, and I think your advice on Doc trashing his friendship with us over a game is outrageous.
First off, like I said before, you disrespected your DM by reading this thread. It's no better than pulling out the adventure notes he carefully prepared and reading them right before the game.
And if you would break off your "friendship" with Doc just because he has a Great Wyrm White Dragon react accordingly in response to your characters actions, you aren't really a friend in the first place.
Stuff like this happens from time to time no matter who you are or what you're playing, but a game is not worth losing friends over.
If the people you're playing with are really your friends, you don't need to worry about losing them over a silly game. And Doc apparently does have to worry about that.
Doc: If I were you, I'd drop the campaign. Your players obviously don't care about the work and effort you put into it, and have no respect for you. The one I just responded to indicates that they would no longer be "friends" with you if you eliminated their characters (justifably so) in a D&D game. DMing for such people is not worth the time or the effort, and I think you'd be better off spending your time doing something else. In any event, good luck with whatever you decide to do.
