Parmandur
Book-Friend, he/him
This does not jive with my experience with children.
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Batgirl movie cancelled
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Hex08
Hero
You know kids who read comics? If so, I don't doubt you but that's no longer the industry standard, assuming we are talking about traditional American monthly superhero comics like Marvel & DC. Webcomics, manga and YA stuff has a strong younger audience. If wasn't very clear about the distinction, my bad. I figured since we were talking about DC movies I didn't need to clarify.
Surprising New Data Shows Comic Readers Are Leaving Superheroes Behind
As more comics and graphic novels are sold in bookstores, new genres are overtaking costumed crusaders with the rising generation of fans.
www.forbes.com
Parmandur
Book-Friend, he/him
My own kids, yes. Not monthly, no, but trades and graphic novels aimed at kids.You know kids who read comics? If so, I don't doubt you but that's no longer the industry standard, assuming we are talking about traditional American monthly superhero comics like Marvel & DC. Webcomics, manga and YA stuff has a strong younger audience. If wasn't very clear about the distinction, my bad. I figured since we were talking about DC movies I didn't need to clarify.
Surprising New Data Shows Comic Readers Are Leaving Superheroes Behind
As more comics and graphic novels are sold in bookstores, new genres are overtaking costumed crusaders with the rising generation of fans.
Kevin Tsujihara basically admitted in 2019 that they had been trying to copy Marvel and failed at it. Here's a couple quick news articles on it from Google:
The key to the DC universe's success was giving up on copying Marvel
When DC decided to follow Marvel with an interconnected cinematic universe of its own, there seemed to be equal parts trepidation and anticipation from movie …
bgr.com
DC Films Finally Admits Marvel Studios Was Right All Along
If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em.
Warner Bros’ Kevin Tsujihara On The DCEU: Less Interconnectivity “The Right Strategy For Us Right Now”
Warner Bros. chief and CEO Kevin Tsujihara recently engaged in a wide-ranging interview with the Los Angeles Times concerning the future of the storied film studio, and the tumultuous (if ultimately successful) year just past. Of note to film fans, too, was how he spoke of the company’s...
moviemarker.co.uk
So, yeah, they modeled the DCEU after the MCU and it didn't work. And after 2019, what do they have to show for their attempt at change? I'll give you the standalone The Joker and The Batman. But that's basically it. Both the new Suicide Squad and Birds of Prey were falling back their old ways; I don't think they worked any better the second time around. And, unfortunately, a lot of movie activity stopped in 2020 and is just starting to get back on track, so that's basically all they had.
Which leads us to the current DC crisis, which has multiple sources reporting that DC is attempting to copy Marvel again:
Mom, DC is Copying Marvel Again!
Warner Bros. announced a 10-year plan for DC that's "very similar" to what Disney has done with the MCU. We don't think this will turn out well.
DC Reportedly Plans Major Changes to Be More Like Marvel Studios
In a new move, Warner Bros. will look to mimic Marvel Studios for future DC movie and TV success.
thedirect.com
DC Finally Admits Its Plan to Copy the Marvel Cinematic Universe
DC's new boss wants to emulate Marvel's movie success. But can the company recover from years of missteps?
www.denofgeek.com
So, that's about a three year stretch where DC tried to stop copying Marvel, during the pandemic, with little to show for their efforts.
Yes, I don't think you need any admissions to know that the Justice League / Snyder debacle was an attempt to copy Marvel for an interconnected universe. But the trouble was not that it was a copy- it was the Snyder approach that copied them badly.
And since they moved away from the Snyder approach, the actual movies have been .... good. Certainly the overall ROIs have been much better. I think it's difficult to downgrade, inter alia, the new Suicide Squad when it was released during the pandemic and was simultaneously released on streaming, and still made decent money.
And this put aside massive success like The Joker and The Batman.
And this doesn't include the Animated material, or the TV material.
In other words, they are cutting everything that works (animated, TV). And they are redoing the movies, again, despite the movies finally getting traction.
Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln? I can't imagine a single person looking at this who is a fan of DC and being happy.
"Hey, let's cut all the good stuff, the stuff the fans like ... with no real strategy after we put it all underneath a guy with no movie experience. Sound good? OKAY THEN!"
ETA- and one more time ... they are getting rid of Batgirl for a tax break, because they are saddled with debt. This isn't a grand awesome strategy. Purely a money play because this company has so little room to maneuver, and one which has angered a lot of the creatives they have to work with in the future (which will drive up their price). Not great, Bob!
1. Please try and avoid cursing. Thanks!
2. The TV show is, assumedly, Batwoman. This is Batgirl. Different characters. Most DC fans know the difference between Barbara Gordon and Kate Kane.
3. Also, the TV show is part of the "Berlanti-verse" (the Arrowverse) - which is decidedly different than this movie. The movie had, for example, J. K. Simmons as Lt. Gordon and Michael Keaton as Batman- you might have heard of him? Which put the movie in the post-Flash DC universe.
4. I'm guessing I know why you have this opinion .... but maybe you'll surprise me!
trappedslider
Legend
And the Arrowverse is going bye-bye as well
Parmandur
Book-Friend, he/him
Dangnabbit, that was actually decent.
Well .... I have mixed feelings about that.
Despite not agreeing with the above poster, the Batwoman TV series was ... not great.
And Flash is really tired. Letting it have an extra half season is almost a mercy killing.
The biggest loss is Legends of Tomorrow, which somehow (despite cast changes) is always fun.
Arrow, Supergirl, and Black Lightning were all already gone.
That just leaves Superman & Lois and Stargirl, right? Are they officially gone?'
ETA- Most importantly, what about the Babylon5 reboot on the CW? Gone too?
ETA2- I read the article by @trappedslider ... totally forgot about Naomi!
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