Build Suggestions for Ur-Priest

[JDragon]

Hello again,

I once again need to build a character for an up coming game.

Right now I'm looking at trying to do an Ur-Priest from Complete Divine.

I'm looking for suggestions on what classes to take for levels 1-5 that will allow me to take the 1st level of Ur-Priest at 6th level.

Here are the requirements:
Will & Fort Base Save +3
Skills: Bluff 6; Know - Arcana 5; Know - Planes 5; Know - Religion 8; Spellcraft 8

If possible a couple levels of some non-divine casting class would be cool.

The build is 32 pt buy and I have access to all WotC books.

Thanks, any help will be great.

JD

 

[theredrobedwizard]

Bard 9. Then get one level of Ur-Priest in before going into Sublime Chord (Complete Arcane). Take one level of Sublime Chord, then go into Mystic Theurge (enhancing Ur-Priest and Sublime Chord spellcasting). 9th level arcane and divine spells. It may not be the most expeditious route, but it'll get you the most bang for your buck.

-TRRW

 

[Jack Simth]

A Bard-4/Good Fort Save Class-1 can do the job.

Most builds have you going in at 7th, with either a Wiz-5/Mindbender-1 (Mindbender has a good Fort save and Bluff as a class skill) or a Bard-5/Mindbender-1.

 

[JDragon]

JS,

Thanks, thats just what I was looking for. For some reason when I was looking around I was skipping Bard.

I think I may make it really evil and go Bard 3 / Ftr 2 / Ur-Priest 2 / Mystic Thurge 7

This will give me 4th level bard spells / 8th level Cleric spells with access to 1; 9th level cleric spell if I can get my Wisdom high enough.

One more ? though, with the above build what Caster level am I looking at for the Ur-Priest?
With out any feats, the rules for its caster level are a little weird.

Thanks

 

[dirkformica]

If you have Unearthed Arcana or can use info from the online SRD you could use the Savage Bard. It has full Bardic caster progression and good Fort and Will saves as well as Bluff as a class skill. This can be nice in a Sublime Chord / Mystic Theurge build to get both 9th level Arcane and Divine spells.

Hexblade from Complete Warrior is also a staple of Ur Priest builds since it's a spellcaster class and thus gives you Caster Level (even if you don't actually take enough levels to gain spellcasting.) You might check with your DM about Domain abilities. Even if you lose your Divine spellcasting from Cleric, there's no RAW provision that you lose the Domain powers. You might be able to get some interesting domain powers along with the Fort boost.

 

[Jack Simth]

JS,

Thanks, thats just what I was looking for. For some reason when I was looking around I was skipping Bard.

I think I may make it really evil and go Bard 3 / Ftr 2 / Ur-Priest 2 / Mystic Thurge 7

This will give me 4th level bard spells / 8th level Cleric spells with access to 1; 9th level cleric spell if I can get my Wisdom high enough.

One more ? though, with the above build what Caster level am I looking at for the Ur-Priest?
With out any feats, the rules for its caster level are a little weird.

Thanks

Bard 3 / Ftr 2 / Ur-Priest 2 / Mystic Thurge 7 doesn't work - the Bard doesn't get 2nd level spells until at least 4th level. A Savage Bard 5 / Ur-Priest 2 / Mystic Thurge 7 would have either: Ur-Priest caster level 11, Bard caster level 12 OR Ur-Priest caster level 15, Bard caster level 12, depending on DM ruling.

 

[JDragon]

Bard 3 / Ftr 2 / Ur-Priest 2 / Mystic Thurge 7 doesn't work - the Bard doesn't get 2nd level spells until at least 4th level. A Savage Bard 5 / Ur-Priest 2 / Mystic Thurge 7 would have either: Ur-Priest caster level 11, Bard caster level 12 OR Ur-Priest caster level 15, Bard caster level 12, depending on DM ruling.

Thanks, I totally missed that.

I was so intent on the save & skill reqs that I forgot about the spell reqs for MT.

I guess I'll go back to B4/F1 or check out Savage Bard, which story wise might work better.

 

[Jack Simth]

Thanks, I totally missed that.

I was so intent on the save & skill reqs that I forgot about the spell reqs for MT.

I guess I'll go back to B4/F1 or check out Savage Bard, which story wise might work better.

Glad to help.

Savage Bard is OGL in Unearthed Arcana - basically, it takes the bard, forces him to Chaotic (not just non-lawful; but you keep all abilities if you change to a prohibited alignment), swaps the Fort and Reflex saves, drops Speak Language, Decipher Script, and Literacy, adds Survival, and changes up the spell list slightly.

 

[rgard]

Try the Paladin of Freedom from UA (and in the SRD) for your first level.

You get the +2 fort save and Bluff as a class skill. Also take Able Learner as your 1st level or human bonus feat. With this you can take any classes you want in building the character and still only pay 1 for 1 for bluff ranks. Same goes for the rest of the skill requirements.

With +2 fort and bluff at 4 ranks to start, your choices are wide open. You don't need bard and can go with wizard instead. You can eventually get 9th level arcane and 9th level divine at 20th character level if you stick with wizard and wizard prcs that don't sacrifice a level of spell casting.

Of course...you need to fall from paladinhood sometime before taking evil spell focus.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[rgard]

Try the Paladin of Freedom from UA (and in the SRD) for your first level.

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Of course...you need to fall from paladinhood sometime before taking evil spell focus.

Thanks,
Rich

Here's the progression:

1. Paladin of Freedom (PoF), human with Able Learner and Iron Will as feats.
2. PoF1/Wiz1
3. PoF1 (Fallen)/Wiz2 taking Spell Focus (Evil)
4. PoF1 (Fallen)/Wiz3
5. PoF1 (Fallen)/Wiz4
6. PoF1 (Fallen)/Wiz4/Ur-Priest1
7. PoF1 (Fallen)/Wiz4/Ur-Priest2
8. PoF1 (Fallen)/Wiz4/Ur-Priest2/MT1

Complete through MT8 then add 5 levels of Wizard at the back end or at least Wizard PrCs that don't sacrifice spell casting levels.

Your will save requirement is met at Wiz2. Your fort save requirement is met when you get to Wiz3 (adding +1 to the PoF +2).

Your skill requirements are all met by Character level 5.

I've used this build before and did get the character to Epic. Got tired of pumping ability increases into Wisdom and eventually concentrated on Intelligence instead.

I hope this and the above post help.

Thanks,
Rich