D&D (2024) D&D 5.11 - the time of big change is over

[Parmandur]

Ironically, I had assumed prior to the Experts UA we were probably only getting tweaks to classes akin to Tasha's becoming standard. The UAs made me think we were getting far more substantial changes. This makes me think we're moving back to Tasha's + Errata level changes.

Somewhere in between, most likely.

 

[HammerMan]

Yeah, but if one believes they’re lying about that,

I asked this before but what % of people are saying “evil WoTC is lying” compared to what I say of “It looks like an edition change and break no matter how much they don’t want it to be”

Having said that:

I am personally engaging with the topic of the thread.

I agree with her. The thread appears to be a question of how we feel and what we would predict based on the comments of things reverting. The first post points out many.

 

[Remathilis]

As someone who currently uses most of the Tasha updates that sounds amazing... and a reason to buy an integrated book without feeling like it's a half edition. Although I do know some will still call it that.

To be honest, this would be fine enough, though I find a number of the "incompatible" changes to be much better overall. I think the canary in the coalmine will be what druid wild shape looks like. That will be the biggest indicator of how much they will lean on "fix this, no matter what" vs "eh, just errata the 14 version."

 

[MoonSong]

EDIT: And literally the only thing we know is being reverted is unified subclass progression.

Do you have a source?

 

[Parmandur]

To be honest, this would be fine enough, though I find a number of the "incompatible" changes to be much better overall. I think the canary in the coalmine will be what druid wild shape looks like. That will be the biggest indicator of how much they will lean on "fix this, no matter what" vs "eh, just errata the 14 version."

I mean, I don't think there is any "fix this, no matter what" aside from diversity issues. All the rules ad they stand are probably acceptable to WotC, so the only changes will be ones where there is a definite preference for a change.

The changes to Dkill usage, for example, have survived five packets without any controversy, so those are probably in.

 

[Parmandur]

Do you have a source?

Crawford's latest video about the new core book on the D&D channel. They are dropping the unified progression and having every Class gain Sibclasses where they fo in '14...except Subclass choice will remain at 3 for everyone.

 

[Remathilis]

I mean, I don't think there is any "fix this, no matter what" aside from diversity issues. All the rules ad they stand are probably acceptable to WotC, so the only changes will be ones where there is a definite preference for a change.

The changes to Dkill usage, for example, have survived five packets without any controversy, so those are probably in.

I cannot imagine a world where twin spell survives in its 2014 form, no matter what % the playtest version gets. There are going to be some nerfs that no amount of feedback is going to restore.

 

[Morrus]

Look at it this way. They are listening to people say it’s like a new editon. So even if we wanted them to lean into it more and instead they are back tracking, they are at least listening.

You know, just yesterday I closed three threads which had descended into ridiculous arguments about this exact topic, and you were right in the thick of it in all three. And here you are bringing it up again in another. Let me be clear: if we close a thread, it is NOT an invitation to start the same argument up in another one. Drop. The. Subject. This is not a request.

 

[Parmandur]

I cannot imagine a world where twin spell survives in its 2014 form, no matter what % the playtest version gets. There are going to be some nerfs that no amount of feedback is going to restore.

Anything theybput up for a test, I presume is up for backtracking on.

 

[CommodoreKong]

Even though it probably didn't get a "wow" reaction from the community I thought standardizing what levels every class gets subclass features was a good move for streamlining the game. It could also allow things like subclasses that work across multiple classes.