'Dungeons & Dragons' fights for its future

xechnao

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Dragonblade said:
Hmm, ok, well books cost what they do because some money goes to paying for the physical binding, printing, and so on. Plus distributors and game shops all gotta get their cut.

But for DDI, you're saying we should only have to pay for creativity? Well, there is also server maintanence, hosting expense, bandwidth and all that. I guess I just don't see $10 a month as overpricing.

Although, if WotC starts raising the fee, then I may start to come around to your way of thinking. :)

Hopefully the guys that run Enworld here would not have a problem to provide a bit of insight regarding if the costs of maintanence and hosting and all that stuff could be worthing what Wotc would be making if say it even only had 10,000 subscribers (1.200.000$ a year).
 
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Trainz

Explorer
Spacekase said:
I wasn't trying to be negative.

It's all good buddy.

I'm quick to jump the gun on some posts, with the tone this forum often has because of this 4th edition thingie.

I just thought that it was kind of funny that he was so far off. He will be surprised when he logs on and actually has to look for people to play with.

Indeed. For all we know, he might convert... "What??? You can play CRPG'S *FOR REAL*???"
 


TerraDave

5ever, or until 2024
I am definatly in the "its fine" camp. And--as discussed in some other threads--I am glad to see that The Rouse is finally getting some publicity.

Pramas has a short blog entry on his participation.

Wednesday, April 02, 2008
AP Article on D&D
A couple of weeks ago I was interviewed for an Associated Press article about 4th edition D&D. The reporter had found me via my blog and he explained to me that this a common technique for journalists these day. Funny. I was little concerned about being quoted correctly, because he was transcribing as we talked instead of recording the conversation. The article is out now and the quotes he used do seem to be what I actually said though, so hooray.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23903817/

It's also up in some other places like the Huffington Post, as you'd expect from an AP story. As mainstream media coverage of gaming goes, it's not bad. Certainly a big step up from the hysterical stuff we used to see in the early 80s.

One thing I ought to point out is that the estimate of the size of the RPG business (and note I was just talking RPGs, not minis, TCGs, boardgames, etc.) that I gave him was an educated guess on my part and I told him so. I based it on what I knew of the D&D business a few years ago and what I know of sales numbers today, but since most game companies are privately owned and don't report their sales it's difficult to know for sure.
 

variant

Adventurer
I quit D&D during 3e for a long time when I started playing Everquest and I really loved 3e when it came out. Our group simply drifted to playing it instead of gaming at the table. We later picked it up again when Luclin was released and EQ started going down hill. With 4e doing stuff like putting Tiefling and Dragonborn as core races and leaving out the Bard and Druid, I just don't know if I want to switch and already I am looking at what MMOGs are coming out in the future.

Frankly, I kind of want WotC to learn a lesson about listening to what their consumers want instead of trying to whore it out to those who will never buy it anyway.
 
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xechnao

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Bugaboo said:
The article is not glowingly positive of D&D, therefore it is biased and sucks.

And I want to add here that it is far more probable that this article reaches much more hardcore fans rather than casual gamers. And many hardcore fans (especially from the group that goes with Pathfinder) may have negative feelings against Wotc at the moment. Making Wotc seem a little more vulnerable regarding Pathfinder may calm their negativity.
 
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Immolate

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As my contribution to this discussion, the approximate income of the Wizards of the Coast subsidiary of Hasbro is $124.3 million for 2007. That is about half what it grossed at the turn of the millenia when Hasbro bought it. What percentage of that is D&D is difficult to determine, but the only info I could find on that was a 2005 State of the Industry bulletin that put D&D at 53% of a $20-$40 million RPG market. My cites are:

http://www.hoovers.com/wizards-of-the-coast/--ID__44995--/free-co-factsheet.xhtml
for the 124.3 figure and;

http://www.gamingreport.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=printpage&artid=186
for the other stuff.

Now you can go there and read that in 15 minutes tops and save yourself the two hours it took for me to chase it down among the 982 million google hits for everyone from NYT to Joe's Chicken Coop Gazette running the AP article.

Speaking of the AP article, it didn't seem to be a bad review from an "outsider looking in" perspective. If everyone felt about D&D the way we do, they wouldn't have done the article. They'd be focusing on the price of Heinsoo's hookers instead.

I don't think that WotC is focusing on DDI as their cash cow. Yeah, at $15 its overpriced, but frankley for guys like me that have a long history with the game it's mice nuts and I'll take advantage of the one-year deal to keep the price down, which seems more in line with what I'm actually getting. No, you can't compare it to playing 200 hours of WoW in a month for the same money, but you can only play so much WoW before you've had enough, and most of us have crossed that line, either on a daily or lifetime basis, or we wouldn't be on the net, reading boards about a game other than WoW.

But what does DDI do besides offer additional content to people who already play D&D? It give people a way to play who otherwise couldn't play because of geographical separation, obviously. It also gives people a way to play pick-up games and campaigns with people they never knew existed until they met them in a forum or in a chat room or wherever people will go to find a game. Think on that. Think how it expands the potential player base.

A lot of people are veteran players who no longer live somewhere that they can find a group of people, or are just too shy or too turned off by game shops to hang out there and find a suitable group. Some are too old to want to play with a bunch of kids. Some are too busy to spend the time needed to commute to a game. If those people have a way to meet and play with people anywhere in the world from behind the comfort of a computer keyboard, they are much more likely to do it.

You can say "that's what they've got WoW for", but WoW is a crummy social environment. There are games with a good social environment like Asheron's Call, but it's still a crowd and a lot less personal than a small group of people playing a persistant game. Yes, NWN does that, but if you want to play D&D, why not play D&D rather than a video game based on it?

I think DDI has the potential to bring a lot of those orphaned players back to the game and, over time, to grow the base steadily. It won't have all of the qualities of a face-to-face game, but it may have enough of them to make the sell.

And along with all of those new or old people playing the game, there will be a lot of Player's Handbooks and other books sold. That will lead to a broader market for peripheral products like books, and as the base grows, the number of in-person games will grow, which will sell tiles, dice and miniatures.

I won't argue that DDI will push PNP gaming into WoW levels. WoW is eye-candy and easy fun with little to no commitment, and a game like D&D can't compete with that. What I am saying is that it is possible that D&D will catch on with DDI to propel it, and that WotC thinks it is a gamble worth taking. I hope they're right. I'll still play with my boys like I've been doing for the past 30 years regardless of what they do, but I can't help but want the hobby to be as popular as possible.
 

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