Greater magic weapon on magic weapons

[Wee Jas]

Would GMW make a +1 Keen Vorpal Holy Dragon Bane mercurial heavy great sword..... +5 as well?

 

[kreynolds]

Yup. From the Sage...

Weapon enchantment/buffing question

1) Could you cast Keen Edge (or Weapon of Impact, its bludgeoning counterpart) on a magical weapon that had already been enchanted up to the +10 non-epic maximum? In other words, could you create a situation in which your weapon was effectively +11 or +12 temporarily via weapon buffing spells?

Yes, you can.

To illustrate the question by example:
You can, by the rules (I think), have a +2 shocking burst (+2), flaming burst (+2), icy burst (+2), holy (+2), (total +10 enhancements) Great Axe Lets say I have this Great Axe with a +10 total enchantment (Sweet!). Now, can I have my wizard friend cast Keen Edge on it? -OR- since the weapon cannot be crafted with more than 10 pluses of bonuses without essentially being an Artifact, is it in some way capped out? The same question applies if I am using a Scabbard of Keen Edges (which allows for the Keen Edge Spell to be applied to your weapon 3 times a day.)

You cannot *create* a weapon with more +10, but that does not mean a weapon cannot *be* more than +10 temporarily. Note, however, that enhancement bonuses from spells still don't stack with a magic weapon's magical enhancement bonus. A +2 flaming, speed sword that receives a +3 enhancement bonus from a greater magic weapon spell becomes a +3 flaming, speed sword.

 

[Grog]

Yep. IMO it's a big flaw in the system but that's how it works.

 

[James McMurray]

Yep. That's how it works. Which is why you should target the thing with a Greater Dispel and then Sunder it.

 

[magnas_veritas]

Yep. That's how it works. Which is why you should target the thing with a Greater Dispel and then Sunder it.

Thus ruining the fun of the target, and possibly their life cycle. ;-)

One member of our group is fond of Chain GMWing stuff. One spell makes a whole lot of +5 arrows, +5 bows, and +5 melee weapons. Of course, that one dispel makes life really, really suck for the target, so you shouldn't depend on it all the time, but it's really useful in a lot of situations.

Brad

 

[Caliban]

Thus ruining the fun of the target, and possibly their life cycle. ;-)

One member of our group is fond of Chain GMWing stuff. One spell makes a whole lot of +5 arrows, +5 bows, and +5 melee weapons. Of course, that one dispel makes life really, really suck for the target, so you shouldn't depend on it all the time, but it's really useful in a lot of situations.

Brad

Minor point:

You can't use a Chained GMW to enchant arrows and weapons at the same time.

To Chain a spell, the spell has to have a single target.

GMW can either target a single weapon, or 50 arrows/bolts/bullets.

If it's targetting 50 arrows, it's not eligible for being Chained (because it has more than one target).

If it's targeting a single weapon, it can be chained, but it won't affect arrows because they are not weapons. They are ammunitioin.

 

[Grog]

What does "chaining" a spell do, and where is it in the rules?

 

[Numion]

I find this rule problematic. All my players do is buy weapons with only +1 standard bonus and then elemental / holy damage and keen abilities out of the wazoo.

 

[Archer]

I'd make sure to invest in the unbreakable quality in any weapon above +5 total enchantment.

 

[magnas_veritas]

Minor point:

You can't use a Chained GMW to enchant arrows and weapons at the same time.

To Chain a spell, the spell has to have a single target.

GMW can either target a single weapon, or 50 arrows/bolts/bullets.

If it's targetting 50 arrows, it's not eligible for being Chained (because it has more than one target).

If it's targeting a single weapon, it can be chained, but it won't affect arrows because they are not weapons. They are ammunitioin.

I see your point, though it is arguable that the 50 arrows count as a single target, in that they normally count as a target for the spell, and they're normally enchantable that way anyway.

Of course, I have to make sure my DM doesn't hear about this interpretation...then again, he came up with the idea, anyway.

Brad