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Monster Natural Attacks - UPDATE!!!
- Thread starter i_sheol
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Well, look at it this way...a PC with more than one attack - say for example a 10th level fighter who has two attacks at +10/+5. His first gets a +10...the second a +5. In the case of a monster with a 2 claws +10, bite +5 routine, why does its two primary attacks (claws) with the same modifier of +10? It seems to me that both those claws are like one attack since they both have the same mod. of +10. If the second claw was truly NOT part of the primary SINGLE attack, then what justifies BOTH claws getting +10?
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
Bauglir
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Think of a 10th level ranger wielding 2 weapons.
He attacks with +8/+8/+3
If the second weapon was truly NOT part of the primary SINGLE attack, then what justifies BOTH weapons getting +8?
Monsters use a similar mechanic for their multi-attack to two-weapon fighting, so you'll see similar patterns in the numbers.
He attacks with +8/+8/+3
If the second weapon was truly NOT part of the primary SINGLE attack, then what justifies BOTH weapons getting +8?
Monsters use a similar mechanic for their multi-attack to two-weapon fighting, so you'll see similar patterns in the numbers.
Albert_Fish
First Post
Well guys, i hope i am understadning Sheol's post and then everyone elses as well.
Sheol got an answer that says a monster may amke its primary attack with however many limbs it has listed (ie An owlbear has a Claw/ Claw, Bite routine. I thinkit is +7/+7, +2.
Notice how the claw attacks come prior to the comma. This means they are one attack and should always be treated as such.
To limit the power of this ( which is not every powerful, most natural weapon using monsters not be able to take decent feats or use magical items) say both attacks must be directed towards one opponent.
pounce is generally left only to those animals who also use their Rear Claws (Felines in most cases) when attacking.
I dare you to stick your hand in a cat fight, you will see how Pounce works. They use every attack as quick as lightning to rip your damn fool hand off.
We have been reading the rule as such for a long while. if the two claw attacks were Iterative attacks then they would be listed as such.
The Fixed Damage question baffles me. Why couldnt a dragon concentrate its bonuses into some other attack? perhaps this is what a feat could be used for or perhaps it should be a reflection of the monster's intelligence/wisdom.
Sheol got an answer that says a monster may amke its primary attack with however many limbs it has listed (ie An owlbear has a Claw/ Claw, Bite routine. I thinkit is +7/+7, +2.
Notice how the claw attacks come prior to the comma. This means they are one attack and should always be treated as such.
To limit the power of this ( which is not every powerful, most natural weapon using monsters not be able to take decent feats or use magical items) say both attacks must be directed towards one opponent.
pounce is generally left only to those animals who also use their Rear Claws (Felines in most cases) when attacking.
I dare you to stick your hand in a cat fight, you will see how Pounce works. They use every attack as quick as lightning to rip your damn fool hand off.
We have been reading the rule as such for a long while. if the two claw attacks were Iterative attacks then they would be listed as such.
The Fixed Damage question baffles me. Why couldnt a dragon concentrate its bonuses into some other attack? perhaps this is what a feat could be used for or perhaps it should be a reflection of the monster's intelligence/wisdom.
Well, as I said. I sent off the questions to Sage Advice. IMO that will put an end to the debate.
I can understand the 'fixed attacks', the rules support that on page 7. But the third paragraph under Attacks suggests that only a SINGLE attack is made outside a full attack. Two primary claws are indeed two attacks.
I don't know. I did resend the questio back to WotC reworded to double check.
I can understand the 'fixed attacks', the rules support that on page 7. But the third paragraph under Attacks suggests that only a SINGLE attack is made outside a full attack. Two primary claws are indeed two attacks.
I don't know. I did resend the questio back to WotC reworded to double check.
Hypersmurf
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Re: Re: Monster Natural Attacks - UPDATE!!!
Read "especially".
Heh. We've had Customer Service return two contradictory answers to the same question on the same day before... signed by the same person!
I think you need to meet my Girallons as well...
And my Carrion Crawlers.
-Hyp.
Read "especially".
Heh. We've had Customer Service return two contradictory answers to the same question on the same day before... signed by the same person!
I think you need to meet my Girallons as well...
And my Carrion Crawlers.
-Hyp.
