ranged attacks/flanking/sneak attacks...

[Deset Gled]

Just to put everything in one, simple post:

Point Blank Shot only works to 30'. Making it go farther is a house rule.
Only melee weapons threaten an area.
You can only flank or take an AoO in an area you threaten, and only with a weapon you threaten with.
The consequence of this is that you will never get an AoO with a bow, or flank with a bow.

 

[Lasher Dragon]

The consequence of this is that you will never get an AoO with a bow, or flank with a bow.

Except for the Arrow Mind spell, out of CAdv...

 

[Sir ThornCrest]

so a thief cant sneak/flank attack w/ a bow?

So if you can never get a flank with bow then that means a rogue cannot sneak/flank attack with one?

Thorncrest

Just to put everything in one, simple post:

Point Blank Shot only works to 30'. Making it go farther is a house rule.
Only melee weapons threaten an area.
You can only flank or take an AoO in an area you threaten, and only with a weapon you threaten with.
The consequence of this is that you will never get an AoO with a bow, or flank with a bow.

 

[Sir ThornCrest]

what do you mean somehow? if you cant flank?

when the rogue stabs a guy in the back is that a flank attack? If your saying you can never flank with a bow then how do you get to back stab, while opponent is in combat? Ther eis even a picture of the rogue in the players hand book sneak attacking with a bow, if by definition you cannot flank then how do you sneak attack?

Thorncrest

Uh, no, RAW DOES apply very well. You dont threaten with a bow, and thus you cant make AOOs with it or flank with it. If you cant flank with it, you can't gain a sneak attack from flanking with a bow. To sneak attack with a bow, your enemy needs to be denied their dex bonus somehow.

 

[ElvishBard]

A rouge can make a sneak attack with a bow when they are within 30 feet and the opponent is denied their dex bonus.

One way to sneak attack with a ranged weapon is to win initative and hit them while they are flatfooted. I believe that if an opponent is flanked you can also get a sneak attack on them, like if they are surronded by a fighter with a sword on both sides, you can sneak attack the opponent that is flanked.

 

[Sir ThornCrest]

if you apply far shot all range increments are x1.5 thus piont blank is 45'.

To answer your question look at the feat far shot, it is 1.5x all range increments.

Thorncrest

Just to put everything in one, simple post:

Point Blank Shot only works to 30'. Making it go farther is a house rule.
Only melee weapons threaten an area.
You can only flank or take an AoO in an area you threaten, and only with a weapon you threaten with.
The consequence of this is that you will never get an AoO with a bow, or flank with a bow.

 

[IcyCool]

when the rogue stabs a guy in the back is that a flank attack? If your saying you can never flank with a bow then how do you get to back stab, while opponent is in combat? Ther eis even a picture of the rogue in the players hand book sneak attacking with a bow, if by definition you cannot flank then how do you sneak attack?

Thorncrest

You get a sneak attack whenever you flank an enemy (Can't do this with a ranged weapon), OR when the enemy is denied their DEX bonus to AC. If your enemy is flat-footed, you can get a sneak attack against them with a ranged weapon, as long as you are withing 30'. This is why you'll see many rogues taking Improved Initiative.

And, since you asked, there is a picture of Lidda, the iconic halfling rogue, surprising and sneak attacking an ogre/troll with a crossbow in the PHB.

 

[IcyCool]

To answer your question look at the feat far shot, it is 1.5x all range increments.

Thorncrest

To my understanding, the 30' limitation is not a Range Increment. As Gled said, making it go further is a house rule.

 

[Sir ThornCrest]

far shot does not make an allowance for pb

it says range increments are x 1.5 farther period.

Thorncrest

To my understanding, the 30' limitation is not a Range Increment. As Gled said, making it go further is a house rule.

 

[billd91]

The answer to your questions is 'no'. Ranged weapons don't threaten, so opponents don't provoke AoOs from the ranger. And flanking is a purely melee combat thing, the ranger doesn't provide or benefit from any flanking bonuses.. he also doesn't help the rogue get sneak attacks.

If the ranger had Improved Unarmed Combat, then he would threaten even if he was currently armed with a bow. But, he'd be making AoO with unarmed attacks like kicks and head butts instead of with his bow.
Considering that's usually pretty low damage, it's usually not worth considering unless someone happens to trigger an AoO via spell-casting or something like that.