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Sigurd

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If you're looking for reasons not to spend the money there will always be some.

My reasons for buying were:

1) As a frugal gamer I liked the discount I received for the leap of faith to preorder.

2) I have never bought an ENWORLD membership and this made me feel better for what I've gained from ENWORLD.

3) I really don't know the authors but I have to say at this point I prefer PDFs to magazines. I like the concept of this sort of publishing and I thought I should support it.

4) I like Dungeon but I don't hang around the Paizo boards, or get substantial entertainment from their efforts.

4b) My players often have Dungeon so I'm never sure if something from the mag is completely new to them.

5) I really like the RPGnow possibility that if they make an improvement in the product after its "shipped" I can simply download the updated version for free.

6) It looks like fun and I want it First and I want the maximum chance to use all the crunch I can in my own games.

7) Seriously - read the free players guide it has more crunch in it than some non-free pdfs.




Sigurd
Who wants a character in the adventure named after him - doesn't matter how small :)
 

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Acid_crash

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Having just read some of both guides, I really like it myself. Great stuff.

Now, my question is....

How to apply all of this wonderful stuff and these great looking adventures with the use of the Arcana Evolved Players Handbook instead of using the D&D books???

What suggestions would you have? If you can give decent suggestions rather than just say "wing it" or "I don't know you'll just have to do your best and get back to us" then I'll probably get the subscription of the entire 12 part saga.
 

Sqwonk

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Quote:
Also, is the term 'adventure path' trademarked?

Morrus: No, but Paizo asked us not to use the term, and out of respect for them we didn't.



That is what I love about this community.
 

Psion

Adventurer
Morrus said:
I'd be delighted if other posters did so!

We can't do it, though, even on the boards, because if we do it it's promotional text, which the licenses apply to, too. But we could respond to specific questions.

You know what else you can do?

I occasionally point to Banewarrens as a hallmark of flexible design. One technique used in the adventure is to basically break down each organization that plays a part in the adventure, with notes on (in general terms) what qualities an organization would have that could replace it, and an outline of where in the adventure all members of the organization are, so you can swap them out with NPCs from your own world easily.

So an online supplement that breaks down the major players in the campaign saga in general terms and an index of NPCs and their qualities would go a long way towards making the game portable. Ryan did a specific adaptation for FR above; what would be most useful would be something more general. Instead of of telling me you could replace Ragesia with Thay, tell me the what the qualities would have to be for a nation that slides in place of Ragesia (in terms of flavor, geopolitical situation, etc.) and where I could find all representative NPCs for purposes of modification or replacement.
 
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Acid_crash said:
What suggestions would you have? If you can give decent suggestions rather than just say "wing it" or "I don't know you'll just have to do your best and get back to us" then I'll probably get the subscription of the entire 12 part saga.

*nervously gulps*

Um . . . I don't know?

Actually, I've never even seen any of the Arcana Evolved books. I wonder if anyone among the writers is familiar with the rules/setting.
 

Psion said:
You know what else you can do?

I occasionally point to Banewarrens as a hallmark of flexible design. One technique used in the adventure is to basically break down each organization that plays a part in the adventure, with notes on (in general terms) what qualities an organization would have that could replace it, and an outline of where in the adventure all members of the organization are, so you can swap them out with NPCs from your own world easily.

So an online supplement that breaks down the major players in the campaign saga in general terms and an index of NPCs and their qualities would go a long way towards making the game portable. Ryan did a specific adaptation for FR above; what would be most useful would be something more general. Instead of of telling me you could replace Ragesia with Thay, tell me the what the qualities would have to be for a nation that slides in place of Ragesia (in terms of flavor, geopolitical situation, etc.) and where I could find all representative NPCs for purposes of modification or replacement.

That's in the Campaign Overview for GMs.

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Tweaking the Setting
War of the Burning Sky is intended to fit into any world, but we use a baseline setting as the core of the campaign saga. If you want to place this campaign saga in an existing setting, you might simply say that Ragesia and the lands around it lie far from the realms the PCs have previously experienced or in a distant part of the world. Or you might prefer to find an area that closely parallels the terrain and nations of the campaign saga.

You can easily change a great many details about the adventures in the campaign saga to fit your own setting, without ruining the plot of the adventures. There are only three major requirements for choosing a location for the campaign. First, two nations must be willing to go to war, and several nearby lands must be affected or threatened by this war. Second, the two main nations must have some sort of difficult passage separating them, which they must claim before they can press into each other’s land – a mountain pass, a narrow isthmus, a magical portal, or a safe road through trackless wastes. Third, you have to be willing to create a few minor locations, such as towns, monasteries, temples, and forests.

To help reduce the amount of work necessary to make the campaign fit to your setting, the following section provides suggestions on what you want to look for when choosing what people and places will stand in for those of the campaign saga.


Nations and Cities: The conflict of the campaign saga involves two major nations - Ragesia, a Lawful Evil empire with human and orcish armies, and Shahalesti, a Neutral nation with elf-heavy armies.

When looking for nations in an existing setting, Ragesia’s stand-in could be any evil nation able to field a large enough army to potentially conquer several of its neighbors. Shahalesti’s stand-in should be slightly weaker than Ragesia, somewhat militant but not evil. The two nations should be neighbors or fairly close. The events of the adventures one and nine hinge on there being a neutral city between the two nations, which stands in the way of their conflict, though any restricted terrain could work as well as the mountain range assumed by the adventure.

The rest of the surrounding nations can be whatever you want, though you will want to try to keep a similar geography in the relation between Ragesia and Dassen, so that the fire forest of adventure two can provide an actual shortcut. It’s a small enough area that it should not be hard to add it.

There could be many smaller nations involved in this conflict, but whatever you do, make sure that the conflict doesn’t stretch far enough that nations far more powerful than Ragesia and Shahalesti get involved. The PCs should feel like they’re the underdog, and that they have a big fight ahead of them. Other nations should not be interested enough to simply sweep in and save the day; that’s for the party to do.

Major NPCs: The two biggest sparks of the war are the vacuum left after the fall of a powerful warlord, and the desire to retrieve the artifact that let him come to power in the first place. The specifics of the warlord aren’t too vital. Emperor Coaltongue’s stand-in just needs to be feared and cunning, and to have commanded armies, but his age, race, and even class could certainly change. He might have only recently begun his march to power, and he might only have had the Torch of Burning Sky for a short time.

Leska and her anti-magic inquisitors are a fairly large component of the campaign setting, but any group of ominous minions work. The inquisitors could be a recent development, rather than a deep institution of Ragesia. Leska’s stand-in just needs to be the ‘hands-off manipulative genius’ style of villain.

Having a group of non-good elves who aren’t drow might not fit a lot of settings, so any group that mixes warcraft and spellcraft can be substituted. Their ruler Shaaladel’s stand-in should still be motivated by a sense of moral superiority, not some generic ‘evil intentions.’ He needs to be highly charismatic, and have convinced people to do things they might normally think to be wrong, which means they might choose not to follow him if given the option.

Pilus can be directly affiliated with any nation looking to sieze power, so he’s perhaps the easiest to fit in. Likewise, the leaders of the Lyceum academy were not world movers and shakers until the start of the conflict.

Immortality and the Aquiline Heart: Leska’s tie to the Aquiline Heart actually gives her relatively little, since any high-level leader would have access to true resurrection, but the Heart gives the players a memorable way to strike a seemingly invincible foe in her weak spot. The myth of the Aquiline Heart can be a famous old legend that people only half believe, like the tales of the Holy Grail, or it could be isolated to Ragesia. If you substitute an existing legend of the setting, you might lose some of the phoenix imagery in the later adventures, so try to find something that would involve fire so it ties in well with the ‘burning sky’ part of the title.

Trillith: The trillith are a totally new group, and since their existence is relatively unknown it should be easy to fit them in. You might need to alter the timeline of the Mother of Dreams somewhat, to make sure she keeps her ties with the creation of the Torch.

Adventure Locations: Any setting has enough uncharted terrain that it shouldn’t be hard to work in a fire forest, a monastery, a psychic temple, and an underground prison. Don’t worry about having to use famous locations from a setting. Just because the PCs don’t personally fight the battles in a well-known city doesn’t mean that the battle isn’t happening. The conflict should appear massive, much bigger than the PCs. Of course, players like to feel a little bit legendary, so at least in the climax adventures, try to use notable locations.

A few adventures, particularly The Mad King’s Banquet, Mission to the Monastery of Two Winds, and O Wintry Song of Agony are intended to give you as GM a lot of leeway as to the specific location of battles. You just need to decide where a strategically-important battle would occur, then send the PCs on the particular missions of the adventure, which are intended to be pivotal to the conflict.
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meomwt

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I did have some ideas as to how the Burning Sky political backstory could be fitted to Greyhawk. You could either use the Great Empire to replace Ragesia (death of Ivid the Undying would be the key point there, it has been described in the LGG, complete with the shattering of the Empire), or the Lands of Iuz with the Old One being sent to the Abyss.

The placing of Gate Pass in either case would need careful consideration, and I haven't had chance to look at the maps yet.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Acid_crash said:
Having just read some of both guides, I really like it myself. Great stuff.

Now, my question is....

How to apply all of this wonderful stuff and these great looking adventures with the use of the Arcana Evolved Players Handbook instead of using the D&D books???

What suggestions would you have? If you can give decent suggestions rather than just say "wing it" or "I don't know you'll just have to do your best and get back to us" then I'll probably get the subscription of the entire 12 part saga.

Eeek. Unfortunately, while I'd love to make some suggestions, I don't have that game; I only play D&D. I'm sorry I can't be of any more help there - I think that's one thing that's goiing to have to come from fan contributions. :(
 

My memory of GH is fuzzy, but I know there's some not-nice nation that's close to Highfolk. Ket, perhaps? A while back I was writing a D&D cartoon script set in Geoff, which involved that region. It might not be high-magic enough, but the geography works, if I recall correctly.
 

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