[Star Wars] Out ESB...ESB???

wayne62682

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In order to preserve secrecy, David Prouse gave the line "Luke, Obi-Wan Killed your father." in climactic ESB scene. "I am your father" was only added when James Earl Jones's voice was dubbed in.

What?? :eek: Is there proof of this, because I never heard of it before - even the documentaries never state anything like this.

Also for the record, what makes the OP think that that line from Obi-wan wasn't intended to be what it ended up: Him lying to Luke to prevent Luke from running off looking for Vader.
 

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IanArgent

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And I'm pretty sure the initial attacks on the Taliban in 2002 were spearheaded by special forces on horseback with laser guidance units and radios.
 


takasi

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Soldiers are using donkeys in Afghanistan.

I'm guessing if they had land speeders they'd use them instead.

"These tracks are side by side. Sand people always ride single file to hide their numbers...and, um, they don't ride dewbacks."

Pretty sure they just wanted to sell more toys. Explain it however you want, but that's not MY Star Wars.
 

8. Redefine the Clone Wars. Instead of going to the local Camino store and ordering a clone army, perhaps the Emperor rose to power as the Republic fought against an external threat that utilized a clone army. Does that threat still exist?

This would be magic to me. It never made sense to me that the Rebellion era was referred to as "a great time of civil war", when it was really just a ragtag group of fighters going against the empire. Conversely, the Clone War(s) was a giant civil war with different factions in the Republic battling, but is never referred to as a civil war. Also, why the heck are they referred to as the Clone War"s" when there's really only one war, and only one side has clones? The Clone Wars really needs to be re-defined as a long term series of wars, spanning many generations, fought against an outside enemy (like the Ssi-Ruuk from Truce at Bakura, or the Hapes Cluster from Courtship of Princess Leia), and fought with clones on both sides.

I would recommend taking the info from the Timothy Zhaan trilogy and running with it. Spaarti cyliders are where clones come from (not Kamino), and both sides have them. Clones take a full generation to grow, which is why the "wars" are spread out - both sides need to grow more troops. The empire eventually won because of the discovery that the yslamiri allowed clones to grow faster, giving the empire the winning edge.
 

This would be magic to me. It never made sense to me that the Rebellion era was referred to as "a great time of civil war", when it was really just a ragtag group of fighters going against the empire. Conversely, the Clone War(s) was a giant civil war with different factions in the Republic battling, but is never referred to as a civil war. Also, why the heck are they referred to as the Clone War"s" when there's really only one war, and only one side has clones? The Clone Wars really needs to be re-defined as a long term series of wars, spanning many generations, fought against an outside enemy (like the Ssi-Ruuk from Truce at Bakura, or the Hapes Cluster from Courtship of Princess Leia), and fought with clones on both sides.

I would recommend taking the info from the Timothy Zhaan trilogy and running with it. Spaarti cyliders are where clones come from (not Kamino), and both sides have them. Clones take a full generation to grow, which is why the "wars" are spread out - both sides need to grow more troops. The empire eventually won because of the discovery that the yslamiri allowed clones to grow faster, giving the empire the winning edge.

One of Thrawns ideas was that fast-grown clones where unstable (due to the force connection). So maybe they did start with generation long clones, but then one side figured out the trick of fast-growing clones, the other side did copy the technology eventually, and suddenly the Clone Wars were in full operation, but at some point, the clones got mad.

The question is - what should the sides be? I kinda like the idea of the Republic turning into an Empire, aided by the War. But maybe instead of fighting Seperatist, they are fighting another galactic government- maybe the (no longer just Trade) Federation or Galactic Alliance. One thing to do would be to reduce the "scale" a little. The Republic is large, but it's not covering most of the Galaxy. The Galactic Alliance has been around for some time and is also large - but maybe not that large. So they are using Droid and Clone armies first. The Republic can rely on their Jedi to fight for them.
The tide really turns once they create fast-grown clones. But thanks to the Emperors foresight, he has his own clone army ready - and this army contains Jedi among its ranks. This is of great concern to the Jedi Council, since they were not aware of this plan. The first batch is still "regualr issue" slow-grown clones, but as the battle intensifies, the enemy fast-grown techology is also stolen. Unfortunately, it turns out that these fast-grown clones are mentally unstable (as per the Thrawn trilogy). So the Galactic Alliance switches to use more Droids, while the Republic keeps using their new clones. The Alliance finally has to admit defeat, and at that point, the newly chosen Emperor orders the destruction of all clones and the Jedi, and issues a ban on most combat and war droids. The public is happy, because the mad clones - especially the Jedi - were a big problem, and almost everyone has had a family member lost to some Alliance war droid.
The Emperor is now in control of all sources of clones, droids and The Force, exactly as he wanted.
But the remains of the Galactic Alliance will form the base of resistance against the Empire once it shows its ugly side.

Of course, this is just the overview - the crucial things happening to Anakin or Obi-Wan are left out so far...
 

S'mon

Legend
The original movie Star Wars novelisation has a lot of good material in it. For instance. Emperor Palpatine appears to be a corrupt politician ("The cries of the people for justice did not reach his ears"), but not a Dark Lord of the Sith. Vader is a powerful Sith Lord - but just one among many, it looks like. The Imperial Moffs and the military appear to be a much more proactive force, not just the emperor's lackeys as they became later.

Look at Grand Moff Tarkin, and what he represents: Science. Reason. Progress. Technological Terror.

Then compare that to Leia, a political leader of the insurgency. And Obi-Wan - last priest of a dead religion.

Imagine if the likes of Tarkin and the military junta, not Vader and the Sith, were the true villains of the trilogy.
 

Yes. We have seen far too little of Tarkin. He was an interesting villain, and I think he could have benefitted from a stronger presence in the movies and novels.

And Palpatine not as a Sith Lord but just as a political mastermind would have been great, too...
 

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