Stealth...yeah...

[Theli]

I want to know one specific thing. By RAW, errata, and even any seemingly valid CSRs, what is the bare minimum a rogue must do in order to get sneak attack damage on a melee attack in this situation:

1) The rogue is adjacent to the target.
2) There is no flanking ally. Nor can one move into position. Neither can the rogue move into position to flank.
3) The target of the attack has already taken an action in this encounter.
4) The target is aware of the presence of the adjacent rogue.
5) There is no cover, of any type, anywhere immediately adjacent to the target.
6) There is a surrounding ring of cover 4 squares away from the target.

Please clarify exactly what rolls would be required if this is possible.


Thank you.

 

[abyssaldeath]

The only thing he could do is make a bluff check to give himself combat advantage till the end of his next turn. Unfortunately, bluff is a standard action. On the plus side he would be able to use his sneak attack on him if he he get an OA.

 

[Stalker0]

The only thing he could do is make a bluff check to give himself combat advantage till the end of his next turn. Unfortunately, bluff is a standard action. On the plus side he would be able to use his sneak attack on him if he he get an OA.

He could also do that bluff and then use an action point to give him an attack on the same round, which would give him sneak attack.

To be a little more specific, if your rogue moved over to the cover 4 squares away, he would then have cover, and could make a stealth check (at a -5 penalty because he moved more than 2 squares). If he beat the opponent's perception, he would now be hidden. If he was attacking with a RANGED weapon, he could gain CA and sneak attack.

However, since you asked for melee, the second the rogue left the cover to run over and attack the enemy, he would no longer be hidden, and therefore could not get CA and sneak attack.

 

[Surgoshan]

Or he could use a power that gives him combat advantage the next turn (either because the power gives CA, or because it stuns, dazes, etc the target). I don't think there's anything the rogue can do with just the three normal actions, though.

 

[Ed Gentry]

Tangential question...sneak attack specifies

Once per round, when you have combat advantage against an enemy and are using a weapon from the light blade, the crossbow, or the sling weapon group, an attack you make against that enemy deals extra damage if the attack hits.

Does this mean that a warlock with the rogue initiate feat cannot get sneak attack damage on any of his ranged attacks?

Thanks!

 

[Kordeth]

Tangential question...sneak attack specifies

Does this mean that a warlock with the rogue initiate feat cannot get sneak attack damage on any of his ranged attacks?

Thanks!

Correct.

 

[Bronz]

Tangential question...sneak attack specifies

Does this mean that a warlock with the rogue initiate feat cannot get sneak attack damage on any of his ranged attacks?

Thanks!

It does if the warlord is using a xbow or sling or any of the light thrown blades. He cannot, by RAW, gain a sneak attack with eldritch blast for instance.

 

[Theli]

On warlock range attack powers, that is correct.
Though there's nothing stopping the warlock from doing a basic ranged attack with any of the weapons listed.
Of course, you probably don't care about that.

Well...it's a shame that the rogue can't do anything in this situation other than utilize bluff, use certain powers, or switch to ranged attacks. Didn't expect that to be the case. But ok. Thanks.

 

[Bronz]

Well...it's a shame that the rogue can't do anything in this situation other than utilize bluff, use certain powers, or switch to ranged attacks. Didn't expect that to be the case. But ok. Thanks.

Have to admit though, that's still a good range of options.

 

[Klaumbaz]

Rogue could move to the cover, hide, and use his "ready an action" with std action to use his "move 2 then strike" to react to the enemy's movement, and jump out of hiding, move 2, and then strike with CA. since the ability is an attack, the movement out of cover would not break stealth untill after the attack is resolved, and because he had stealth before he used the ability, his exposing himself (not that way you sick person) as part of the attack would not break it immediately either. (i.e. The sneaky git is lunging out of nowhwere and lands a good stab from a surprising distance.)

Atleast that's how we use that at-will and would allow a melee strike with a 2square range from the cover.