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[Seeten]

The table is correct. Sunder is a standard action, but that in no way precludes it from being used as an AoO. The rules for AoOs do not say say that they are not standard actions, only that it can be used as a single melee attack. In fact, a single melee attack is in itself a standard action. So in effect, an AoO gives a standard action (perhaps more than one to those with combat expertise), but that action is limited to a single melee attack. Sunder is a sinlge melee attack, wether its a standard action or not is irrelevent.

Awesome! I can now cast spells as an AoO! Great rules work.

 

[bestone]

Awesome! I can now cast spells as an AoO! Great rules work.

I love how you just ignore the fact that he says limited too to make a snarky comment

 

[demadog]

Awesome! I can now cast spells as an AoO! Great rules work.

If your spell is a single melee attack, then by all means.

 

[atom crash]

Action Types
An action’s type essentially tells you how long the action takes to perform (within the framework of the 6-second combat round) and how movement is treated. There are six types of actions: standard actions, move actions, full-round actions, free actions, swift actions, and immediate actions.

In a normal round, you can perform a standard action and a move action, or you can perform a full-round action. You can also perform one or more free actions. You can always take a move action in place of a standard action.

If this doesn't mean I need to have a standard action available in order to take a standard action, then what does it mean?

If I don't have a standard action available, how many standard actions can I take in a round?

 

[demadog]

If this doesn't mean I need to have a standard action available in order to take a standard action, then what does it mean?

If I don't have a standard action available, how many standard actions can I take in a round?

As the text denotes, AoOs break the flow of the combat round. They are an attempt to inject real-time actions into a turn based game. When its a characters turn they need to be concerned with how many standard actions they have available, but when its not their turn they can actually manage quite a few of what be considered standard actions during their turn. That is, if they have a high dex, combat reflexes (expertise edited out thanks rystil), and most importantly those actions are limited to single melee attacks.

 

[Rystil Arden]

You mean Reflexes?

 

[Felix]

I'm just going to note two things:

The title of this thread.
The page count of this thread.​

I love the smell of irony in the morning.

 

[bestone]

Well i wouldnt have claimed that, if i knew that articles by game designers posted the wizards site meant nothing.

 

[Hypersmurf]

In fact, a single melee attack is in itself a standard action.

When made as part of a full attack action, it is not a standard action; it is part of a full round action.

When made as part of a charge action, it is not a standard action; it is part of a full round action.

When made as an AoO, it is not a standard action; it is not an action at all.

Making a single melee attack takes a standard action if you're taking the Attack action; it's not inherent in the nature of a melee attack.

-Hyp.

 

[Sithobi1]

Where does it state this in the rulebook, page # please?

If this was as written, i have no argument

Your own words.

This is a portion of the spell. You need to cast the spell to have this part of the spell take effect.

This is a portion of the [special attack]. You need to [use the special attack] to have this part of the [special attack] take effect.