What have i missed about Greenbound Summoning?

[Voodoo]

The feat Greenbound Summoning in Lost Empires of Fareun seems utterly broken and far too good to me, is there a restriction or limitation that i've missed?

The feat applies the greenbound template to any animal you summon with any Summon Natures Ally spell.

The greenbound template:-
Type becomes plant (so no crits, mind affecting, or polymorphing..)
NA improves by 6
Gains a slam attack
(Sp) at will - entangle, pass without trace, speak with plants. 1/day - wall of thorns
DR 10/magic and slashing
Fast healing 3
+4 grapple bonus
Resistance to electricity and cold 10
Tremorsense 60'
Str +6, Dex +2, Con +4, Cha+4
+16 to hide and move silently in forested areas
(CR +2, LA+8)

The feat is on page 8, the Greenbound template on page 173-175

 

[two]

all i can say it wow

The feat Greenbound Summoning in Lost Empires of Fareun seems utterly broken and far too good to me, is there a restriction or limitation that i've missed?

The feat applies the greenbound template to any animal you summon with any Summon Natures Ally spell.

The greenbound template:-
Type becomes plant (so no crits, mind affecting, or polymorphing..)
NA improves by 6
Gains a slam attack
(Sp) at will - entangle, pass without trace, speak with plants. 1/day - wall of thorns
DR 10/magic and slashing
Fast healing 3
+4 grapple bonus
Resistance to electricity and cold 10
Tremorsense 60'
Str +6, Dex +2, Con +4, Cha+4
+16 to hide and move silently in forested areas
(CR +2, LA+8)

The feat is on page 8, the Greenbound template on page 173-175

Wow.

That's pretty crazy. You could summon a level 1 nature's ally (at level 1), and have it cast a Wall of Thorns? That's pretty much going to end any low-level combat. Done.

Plus all that other stuff? Crazy talk.

How about summoning 1d4+1 low-level nature's allies by 5 or 6 and having all of them do the wall of thorns thing?

Plus all the other stuff?

Crazy talk man, crazy.

You have to be able to speak with the summoned plants, of course-- but that's not too tough.

 

[werk]

Sorry, I don't have Lost Empires yet. I'd look for something about movement. Plants don't generally run around very well. If there is nothing, that might be a good fix for the feat.

 

[griff_goodbeard]

Sounds in line with all the other broken crap that has come out of FR.

 

[Voodoo]

I'd look for something about movement. Plants don't generally run around very well. If there is nothing, that might be a good fix for the feat.

Unfortunatly nope, the example greenbound troll (obviously not being summoned) still has speed 30.

 

[two]

Unfortunatly nope, the example greenbound troll (obviously not being summoned) still has speed 30.

Good lord, that's terrifying. A greenbound troll... yikes.

 

[werk]

Yeah, I'm with you, can't find a reason it's not broken.

 

[Ridley's Cohort]

I would have to see the feat and read its prereqs carefully.

Keep in mind that SNA critters do not linger around long, and, depending how you read the rules, can be foiled by a cheap little Wand of Protection from Evil (with a few exceptions). In a highly magical world that last bit may not be so minor a thing.

This certainly looks more potent than Augment Summoning (which is generally considered very good for Druids as PHB feats go.)

 

[nak9788]

The only thing that I could see that would limit this feat is the restictions of the summon spell itself. Keep in mind it takes a full-round to cast the spell. Even casting on the defensive, once you make you concentration check, when the next round starts, you are still casting, giving everyone around you the oportunity to take their action that round (or the previous round if you won intiative) to hit you (and therefore require a 2nd concentration check).

Also the spell only lasts 1 rnd/lvl so it doesn't last very long. Granted whenever you do summon something it would be quite nasty. If you compare it to the Augment Summoning feat, it is many times better, effectively making the Augment Summoning feat obsolete. You might want to include the Augment Summoning feat as a prerequisite for it though.

 

[Pielorinho]

If I recall correctly, once a summoned critter goes away, so do all its spell effects--so the Walls of Thorns don't last for very long. It still seems quite powerful to me, but at least that's some small comfort!

Daniel