D&D General Why Do You Think Wizards Are Boring?

[Vaalingrade]

so we need to artificially stop that? make them less able to cover all roles

They do it to all the other classes, so why not?

Take away Enchantment and Illusion and give those to Bard. Give divination to Cleric.

 

[nevin]

Incidentally, I'd be much more on board with cantrips if they were something you burned a spell slot for. Being able to turn any spell into eldritch fire or something because you are a true master of flame sounds rad, and still gives you a reason to carry a weapon.

I dont' understand the issue people have with a wizard not carrying a weapon. Even though most rods and staves qualify as such.

 

[nevin]

They do it to all the other classes, so why not?

Take away Enchantment and Illusion and give those to Bard. Give divination to Cleric.

One of the few things I do like better in 1e ADnd is illusionists being a seperate class from wizard.

 

[Mind of tempest]

They do it to all the other classes, so why not?

Take away Enchantment and Illusion and give those to Bard. Give divination to Cleric.

but I hate bard and do not think it should exist

 

[Vaalingrade]

I dont' understand the issue people have with a wizard not carrying a weapon. Even though most rods and staves qualify as such.

Tradition.

Shouting back to twenty years ago when you stopped being a wizard halfway through the day and became a peasant with a sling or darts.

 

[Vaalingrade]

but I hate bard and do not think it should exist

We do exist.

And we're a thousand times better than wizards. Because we have style, class features, and a fandom that lets other classes have nice things.

 

[Umbran]

You're so wrong it's laughable. Seriously are you trolling?

Mod Note:
Please keep the conversation respectful. Your disagreement with an assertion is not grounds for scorn or derision.

 

[Neonchameleon]

1. This assumes Cancian casting is a plus.

You wrote "spellcasting". And even the Wizard isn't a pure Vancian caster.

2. If the bard's signature feature is the ability to do anything, and the cleric's signature feature is the ability to do anything, and the druid's signature feature is the ability to do anything, and the sorcerer's signature feature is the ability to do anything, and the wizard's signature feature is the ability to do anything, I think we've done a poor job diferentiating the various classes. Maybe - just maybe - we can consider the idea that some classes might have a signature feature that isn't the same as every other spellcaster?

And yes, spells should be more limited. But bards can't do literally anything especially as every individual bard has a hard cap on spells known. This is where wizards really break things.

 

[Li Shenron]

so we need to artificially stop that? make them less able to cover all roles

It's not that you "need to", and most certainly do not expect WotC to ever do that in any future edition, but at least that's what I do with my own Wizard characters on a voluntary basis.

And if the other players try to bully you into playing a cookie-cutter Wizard "because that's what we need", tell them you will let them make all the choices for your own PC in exchange for YOU making all the choices for THEIR PC

 

[cbwjm]

One of the things I do miss with wizards is the old specialists from 2e/3e. You'd get bonuses but you'd have penalties via losing access to spell schools. I like that since it helped make specialist wizards different while also making generalist wizards a good option if you wanted better access to spell schools.