We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

Another piece talking about the harassment of women in tabletop gaming has surfaced on the internet. At least one of the incidents related in that piece has been substantiated as being true, so I am willing to accept that there is more truth in that article. Whether gamers, or geeks in general, want to admit it or not, there are serious issues within our communities with how people act towards women, people of color, and the LGBTQI. We need to knock that off right now. Obviously, this is an opinion piece.

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Another piece talking about the harassment of women in tabletop gaming has surfaced on the internet. At least one of the incidents related in that piece has been substantiated as being true, so I am willing to accept that there is more truth in that article. Whether gamers, or geeks in general, want to admit it or not, there are serious issues within our communities with how people act towards women, people of color, and the LGBTQI. We need to knock that off right now. Obviously, this is an opinion piece.
Just as a warning, for those who might be bothered by certain sorts of content, some of the incidents that were relayed to me, the stories that were told, have jarring, uncomfortable occurrences in them. If mentions of rape and unsolicitated physical contact will bother you, you might want to skip the rest of this article. I know reading the emails and PMs from these women bothered me as they came in.

As much as what these women related bothered me, and obviously bothered them as the targets of the harassment, I felt that the fact that it was so uncomfortable was exactly the reason why this current piece needed to be written. We, as a group, need to start looking the people doing this harassment in the eye and telling them that we don’t think it is okay. We need to stop pushing these accounts into the shadows, under the rugs, and pretending that they do not exist. We need to make our communities into better places for everyone, and not just a bunch of men.

I put out a call over my various social media feeds (which was shared a lot), asking for women to share their experiences of harassment in tabletop gaming with me. Anonymity was offered to those who wanted it, and not surprisingly most respondents asked that their names be kept confidential. The reasons for them wanting to be kept anonymous were one of two. First, they were afraid of further harassment within their communities for calling out the bad behavior. They seen how women who tell men to stop get treated in small, closed communities and, for better or worse, they want to continue with their hobbies without additional harassment. The second reason was a bit scarier. Some of these women are professionals, working in tabletop gaming in a number of different capacities, who fear that publicly coming forward would negatively impact their careers within gaming.

I’ll just say that last one again, with emphasis: they were afraid that coming forward about their harassment, or the harassment that they had witnessed, would negatively impact their careers in tabletop gaming.

Because of these reasons, I will be keeping the identities of everyone who asked anonymous. Everyone who spoke with me identified themselves, I am just not identifying them.

One of the common threads through the experiences shared was rape. Most of these women had had characters raped during convention play, online games, or at events at stores. Sometimes the rapes were matter-of-factly introduced into play, others there was a titillating level of graphic detail to the assaults. One women talked about how a regular attendee at a local convention bragged of having a “rape kit” in his car for the women at the convention, and at one point he yelled at her to “find him women to sleep with.” She also talked about the organizers of the convention having a “men only camping retreat” and when she was on the board of the con the only way that she could attend was “nude and wearing a dog collar.” Another woman talked about the GM of her online game suddenly having her character knocked unconscious, taken away on a ship, and then graphically narrated raping her character. All of this occurred on voice chat while using a popular virtual tabletop site.

Another woman told me that her attempts at organizing a couple of women only games for a VTT online convention was met with such vehemence from male gamers that the games were pulled from the schedule of the convention.

People wonder why more and more people think that anti-harassment policies are needed at conventions. After all, even Gen Con has one:
Gen Con: The Best Four Days in Gaming! is dedicated to providing a harassment-free Event experience for everyone, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race, religion, or affiliation. We do not tolerate harassment of convention participants in any form. Convention participants violating these rules may be sanctioned or expelled without refund at the discretion of show management.

And an Ethics policy:

All of the following constitute grounds for expulsion from the convention without refund:
  • Violating any federal, state, or local laws, facility rules or convention policies
  • Failure to comply with the instructions of Gen Con Event Staff or security personnel
  • Using anything in a threatening or destructive manner against person or property
  • Endangering the safety of oneself or others
  • Threatening, stealing, cheating or harassing others
  • Failure to conduct oneself in a mature manner

The creators of the 13th Age RPG have anti-harassment policies for their organized play because “Nobody shows up for a game with the goal of feeling uncomfortable or unsafe, and sorry that they came. But organized play brings together many different types of people with different expectations and approaches to play. An anti-harassment policy sets ground rules that everyone can recognize and follow, resulting in better games and more fun.” In the policy they outline harassment as “Everyone has the right to a space that is safe from any type of harassment: physical, verbal, emotional, or sexual.”

Honestly, considering the experiences that have been related to me, these sorts of policies should be commonplace for conventions and organized play. I have heard that Paizo is currently drafting an anti-harassment policy for their organized play, and Ad Astra Games has one in place already.

These are some of the more overt things that women have to deal with in their tabletop gaming experiences, and doesn’t go into the more “casual” or systemic harassment and sexism that women deal with at conventions, in online play and at game stores. One of the women talked about women being a subclass in society, and it being more so in gaming communities. “It sucks for a female gamer, going into a store and having that reaction.”

Men are openly commenting on women’s body parts in a sexual manner. Sexual content is added to games because “that’s the kind of stuff that women like.” Crude sexual references and jokes are made.

I’m not saying that there is no place for sexual, or adult themes, in gaming. Just the opposite, in fact. In my personal groups I game with grownups, and we play games that can have adult material in them. We have, however, agreed that content like that is okay in advance, and most of the time we agree that players’ agency over their characters should not be railroaded by the story of the game, or the actions of the GM. There is a huge difference between making awkward sexual comments out of the blue, because you are hoping it will interest a woman gamer, and making awkward sexual comments that people expect in their game. This goes doubly so for games in public spaces, like conventions or stores.

And just because it is okay with your wife, girlfriend or the woman in your gaming group at home, that doesn’t mean that it is okay with all women. If it makes someone at the table uncomfortable, or makes them feel like they are being harassed, just don’t do it, or apologize for having done it.

And, of course, none of them are safe from accusations of being a “fake geek girl,” or being in the store to get something for their husband or boyfriend. Apparently the idea that a woman would want to buy her own dice or miniatures or rule books is alien to some gamers.

As Jon Peterson, author of Playing at the World, points out in an online essay, there have always been gender problems in tabletop gaming. But he also points out that women have been interested in tabletop gaming for a long time. But, just because something has “always been that way,” it does not mean that it has to stay that way. Even in the 1970s TSR Games employees were taken to task by fandom, and female designers, to be more respectful of women gamers and to stop using phrases like “ladygamers.” Sadly, these attitudes that were considered to be outdated back then are still being perpetuated now…in some cases by some of the same people.

My first AD&D group, back in 1979, had a woman for the GM, and about half of the group were women. Most of my groups since then have had women involved in them. We need to be better, as a community, about these things. We need to speak out when we see women being harassed, online or in person, and we need to tell the people who think that doing this is okay that it isn’t. We need to be active in making the change that creates better communities where we don’t have to worry about our friends being harassed because of their gender, or their sexual preferences, or their ethnicity. We have to convince conventions and organized play societies that having anti-harassment policies is a good thing, and enforcing them so that everyone feels welcomed and accepted is a better thing.

Guys, we have to remember that this isn’t about us. This isn’t about our perceptions of what is happening at conventions, during organized play events and in online games. We sit back, listen and ask what we need to do, rather than try to make the discussion about how it “isn’t all men.” We already know that. We need to not take the focus away from what needs to be done.

There are never going to be completely safe spaces, in gaming or outside of it. However, we can make better places where no one has to worry about their body parts being part of the table talk, or their characters being sexually violated. It is the 21st century, and we should be better about this than we are. We need to stop being quiet, stop facilitating harassment, and we need to start making better spaces for ourselves and our fellow gamers. A group, like nerds, that talk so much about being harassed in their youth for being different should really be more sensitive about harassing others. We can, as a group, be better about this, and we need to do it.
 

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Hussar

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What if a black person tells a racist joke about blacks? (Yea, it happens all the time) Let me guess, he's a self hating bigot, right? Whatever deliberately manufactured outrages it takes to maintain that narrative you so desperately want to push, I guess...


No. it's still racist and it's still a bad thing. Why is that hard to understand? Racist jokes are racist, regardless of who tells them or where. Just because everyone around that person is also a racist doesn't suddenly mean that the comment is not a bad thing. Taken to an extreme, you can justify pretty much any behaviour that way. It's okay to do or say anything, so long as enough people around you agree?
 

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Taneras

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A male only table is not being created to protect the safety of men.

So in your mind the *only* reason to create a gender only table is for safety? Did you even read the story of the woman who was mentioned in the original article?

The reason people opposed her woman only table was because they thought it would make people think that women weren't safe in their community. And she didn't agree with that. She made it clear that that wasn't her reason.
 

Hussar

Legend
Ruibbish, if everyone was treated equally what would be the need for a female only table? It wouldn't matter what gender you are, and it wouldn't matter what gender those are who are around you. Everyone would be treated the same. I actually have to explain this?


Because we live in the real world and people are never treated equally? Accounting practices do not resolve social issues. Column A has X so we have to add X to Column B? Sorry, that doesn't work.
 

Hussar

Legend
So in your mind the *only* reason to create a gender only table is for safety? Did you even read the story of the woman who was mentioned in the original article?

The reason people opposed her woman only table was because they thought it would make people think that women weren't safe in their community. And she didn't agree with that. She made it clear that that wasn't her reason.


I'm sure there are many reasons. But, let's be honest, safety is one of them.
 

Ace

Adventurer
[MENTION=944]Ace[/MENTION] - this isn't about home games. This is about public spaces. Always has been. So why are you talking about home games?

Now, if I want my group to be a dudes club and I want to revel in Golden Age fantasy tropes with all the bigotry and misogyny that entails, more power to me.

But, in public spaces? In game books that are meant for general consumption? Not a bloody chance. No way. It's completely unacceptable.

Ah no. In the end its always about control. In this case control of the content of gaming books and the gaming sphere shifting the hobby to the ends of social justice and Leftism. For those who don't share a prog agenda, its unwelcome.

It is is as IMO as C.S Lewis explained in God in the Dock

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”

Also there are no public spaces in any context here anyway, Cons and game stores are private not public. Let me repeat that, stores and cons are as much a private space as ones home.

Public space is stuff owned by the government and open to the public. There are already rules in action here.

That said, there is a vague general agreement that avoiding legal exposure is a good idea . I don't especially care about the rest, its up the Con organizers what they feel suit there needs. Not anyone else's . In short, there is no Us , no uniform culture and what culture there is, certainly doesn't serve social justice.

We don't need this woman's help, our hobby doesn't need her seeming anti White racism or "help" which is more harm than good and we are better off without them and without the harassers alike. Its self polices fine thanks.
 
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Taneras

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Why is that hard to understand? Racist jokes are racist, regardless of who tells them or where.

Because its a joke. Just like if I tell my best friend I'm gonna punch him right square in the nose, jokingly of course, isn't the same as an actual threat of violence. Intent matters, and perception of those around you matters.

It's okay to do or say anything, so long as enough people around you agree?

Firstly I never said "enough", I said all. Nice try. And while I'm sure I haven't thought of every single type of behavior known to man I'd wager most of them done in this setting would fall under the victimless crime category.

I'm sure there are many reasons. But, let's be honest, safety is one of them.


Yes, safety could very well be an issue for some women and be the reason they want to have a female only table. But there are other reasons, as was stated by the very same woman who told Christopher Helton about her experience featured in the article in the OP. She had a different reason. So safety isn't the only reason. So please stop comparing guys wanting their own tables with women needing safety as that's no the only reason.
 
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Taneras

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Because we live in the real world and people are never treated equally? Accounting practices do not resolve social issues. Column A has X so we have to add X to Column B? Sorry, that doesn't work.

Just because it would never actually end up being equal doesn't mean we shouldn't try our best. Murder, rape, and theft will always be apart of the same real world but I really doubt you'd protest attempts at reducing those behaviors.

Treating men and women the same would serve to help men and women be equal. Obviously...
 

MechaPilot

Explorer
Regarding inappropriate jokes:

I have a dark sense of humor, but I don't like rape jokes. I don't think they're funny in the slightest. I think they're in very poor taste, and I think anyone who makes one in front of people they don't know very well runs the risk of callously bringing up and laughing at another person's prior traumatic experiences. If anyone were to make a rape joke around me, I have to admit that I'd feel unsafe around that person, and that I would not remain around that person.

But, I have no right to tell people what they can and can't find funny; especially when they're in a private gathering of people who share the same sense of humor. In a public gathering of complete or nearly complete strangers like a con however, especially if we're talking about an event that allows admittance to those under 18, people should try to keep things at about a PG 13 level.

To be clear, it's not as if I think the PG 13 level is appropriate because that's where my sense of humor is. I have a dark sense of humor, and I enjoy some lewd jokes (if I had to rate my sense of humor, I'd have to put it at an R rating). However, I also realize that some of the jokes I would make should not be told around people I don't know very well.
 

Hussar

Legend
Ah no. In the end its always about control. In this case control of the content of gaming books, shifting them to the ends of social justice and Leftism.

Bwuh? Are you kidding me? You honestly think it's a bad thing for the game books to be more inclusive?

Just because it would never actually end up being equal doesn't mean we shouldn't try our best. Murder, rape, and theft will always be apart of the same real world but I really doubt you'd protest attempts at reducing those behaviors.

Treating men and women the same would serve to help men and women be equal. Obviously...

Yet, in these behaviours, we certainly DON'T treat men and women the same. And they have to effect of reducing these behaviours. Women only train cars, just to repeat an earlier example. I'm sure there are many others. And there's a very, very good reason we don't treat genders the same on these issues. Rape, in particular. Male rapes are far, far outnumbered by female rapes. So, we treat them differently. We have women's shelters for a very good reason. Should we have male shelters too? Probably, but, the priority is considerably lower.

Closing our eyes to context and pretending that if we check the tick boxes on both sides will fix the problems is not going to work. History has proven that it doesn't work. You can't simply pretend that context doesn't matter.

So, we get harassment policies in place in public spaces, we get women only tables at gaming conventions, probably be a good idea to have kid friendly tables as well. Because, the whole point of this entire thread is talking about harassment. Safety in public spaces is a right. It's shouldn't be an issue, but, it is. So, we have to treat the issue at hand. Male gamers having a male only table at a convention is ridiculously easy to achieve. It's simply a case of finding four or five other dudes and all signing up at the same table. Poof, done. Or, at open tables, finding a table that there aren't any women at, and sitting there. The opportunity for a male only table is easily found and does not require any special treatment.

Finding a table of all women is neither simple nor easy. Unless you come to the convention with five women, it's unlikely that you would ever be able to manage it. Random chance certainly won't achieve the opportunity, the way it would for an all male table.

Again, the issue is equality of opportunity. Without special policies, it would extremely difficult to find an all female table at a convention. I'd go so far as to say almost impossible, unless planned for before the convention - and then you're not being welcoming to new gamers - you're only talking about existing gamers with established groups. Finding an all male table at a convention is pretty close to assumed. I've not been to a convention in a while, but, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that most tables are all male.

I mean, here's a fairly random picture of gaming tables from Gen Con:

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Do you honestly believe that male gamers need help finding all male tables?
 
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Hussar

Legend
Regarding inappropriate jokes:

I have a dark sense of humor, but I don't like rape jokes. I don't think they're funny in the slightest. I think they're in very poor taste, and I think anyone who makes one in front of people they don't know very well runs the risk of callously bringing up and laughing at another person's prior traumatic experiences. If anyone were to make a rape joke around me, I have to admit that I'd feel unsafe around that person, and that I would not remain around that person.

But, I have no right to tell people what they can and can't find funny; especially when they're in a private gathering of people who share the same sense of humor. In a public gathering of complete or nearly complete strangers like a con however, especially if we're talking about an event that allows admittance to those under 18, people should try to keep things at about a PG 13 level.

To be clear, it's not as if I think the PG 13 level is appropriate because that's where my sense of humor is. I have a dark sense of humor, and I enjoy some lewd jokes (if I had to rate my sense of humor, I'd have to put it at an R rating). However, I also realize that some of the jokes I would make should not be told around people I don't know very well.

And, honestly, that's the standard that should always be applied. Be aware of your surroundings and don't be a dick. Pretty much truth anywhere you go.

Unfortunately, apparently, common sense isn't as common as might be hoped.
 

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