Does anyone actually like Dragonborn and Tieflings?

[Lurks-no-More]

I like both dragonborn and tieflings; they're mechanically solid races that also open up interesting character backgrounds and themes. It's about time we get some non-Tolkien races in the PHB!

 

[Shadeydm]

While flipping through the 4th Edition books in a Border's Comfy Chair, I almost dropped them in horror after seeing the Dragonborn being presented as a "core" race.

This was almost a "deal-breaker" for me in even looking at 4th Edition D&D, but I have struggled past it somehow in a good-faith attempt to judge if playing this new level of "kiddie RPGing" is even possible for someone like me who is so far outside their target market.

My problem with these new "standard" player races is that I won't be able to keep a straight face during a gaming session with any "dragonfurry" character in it b/c I will be thinking of this the whole time:
Your typical 4th Edition D&D adventuring party:

Pufnstuf the Dragonborn Warlord, Jimmy the halfling?/ugly human? Rogue, and Witchiepoo the Tiefling? Warlock

Oh, here's the link if you were too young to have had this inflicted on you (or were too chemically-altered back then to remember it clearly)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-yLYz6ejqw
I just can't adventure while maintaining any significant sense of "suspension of disbelief" with this kind of cheese in my roleplaying game, sorry.

Wow, clearly you win this thread if such a thing is actually possible.

 

[GnomeWorks]

On a side-note, I have to wonder how many of those that responded with a negative answer to both races actually play 4e.

...because that clearly has so much relevance.

And yes, I am currently playing 4e.

 

[Khairn]

I'm indifferent to both of them. Mostly because there is no real context for them in any setting I have run.

The existence of any kind of "special" race is not really a problem for me. Their place within the setting I'm using is what drives my like or dislike of them. I've used tieflings sparingly in my FR games. And the Dracha from Arcana Evolved (Diamond Throne ) is the only "dragon-ish" PC race I've felt comfortable using because it fit so well with the setting.

The idea's for both races in the new FR **cough-hatchetjob-cough** don't excite me in the least. I'm hoping that the new Eberron will come up with a creative and well written way of making a home for them in Khorvaire, so that I would want to include them.

 

[DandD]

...because that clearly has so much relevance.

And yes, I am currently playing 4e.

So D&D 4th edition managed to lure even GnomeWorks. The Dark Side is strong in D&D 4th edition.

 

[GnomeWorks]

So D&D 4th edition managed to lure even GnomeWorks. The Dark Side is strong in D&D 4th edition.

Ha!

As I've been saying all along, I am playing it to be fair to the system, and because I have heard that it plays better than it reads.

I sincerely doubt that I will be sticking with it, past this one summer game.

 

[DandD]

If you need one summer to decide if the game really is for you, then the game is better than what you really think. Other people would only need 1 minute at most after reading the basic rules to decide if they want to play that system or not.

In any case, I wish you fun with your campaign. And if you dislike the system after an entire summer, then good for you too. I just hope that you will have become wiser and not continue complaining about a system that you don't play anymore, like other posters, who waste their time and their energy telling us everybody how much they hate 4th edition.

Hmmm, perhaps I should tell on the Dumpshock forums how much I dislike SR 3rd edition, and how The Dark Eye 4.1 sucks compared to TDE 3.

Nah, that would make me look like an imbecile.

 

[Mathew_Freeman]

I like them both.

 

[GnomeWorks]

If you need one summer to decide if the game really is for you, then the game is better than what you really think. Other people would only need 1 minute at most after reading the basic rules to decide if they want to play that system or not.

...I don't think you've been following me as closely as I think you have been.

I have said - several times, now - that 4e is a wonderfully-constructed mechanical combat engine. It is well-designed, and it performs its purpose well. Anything beyond that, and I think it fails miserably, but for combat, it most certainly sings.

I know - by giving it a good once-over - that it does not serve my purposes. That does not mean that I have no interest in putting it through its paces. After all, in designing my own system, I need to know what works, what doesn't, and why. How am I supposed to gain that experience without playing and experiencing multiple systems?

In any case, I wish you fun with your campaign. And if you dislike the system after an entire summer, then good for you too. I just hope that you will have become wiser and not continue complaining about a system that you don't play anymore, like other posters, who waste their time and their energy telling us everybody how much they hate 4th edition.

... *sigh*

There is a difference between complaining about a system and arguing/discussing its finer points.

Hmmm, perhaps I should tell on the Dumpshock forums how much I dislike SR 3rd edition, and how The Dark Eye 4.1 sucks compared to TDE 3.

Nah, that would make me look like an imbecile.

I'm sure the parts of the community that you are so thinly stabbing at appreciate that quite a bit.

 

[jdrakeh]

I don't particularly care for Tieflings, though I don't hate them. Dragonborn appear to be PC lizardmen, so I don't bear them a grudge, either (they aren't as outre as many people make them out to be). As a whole, though, I think that they're good additions to the PHB as they make D&D stand out amongst a growing number of rather plain D&D clones by offering some choices that those clones and the past editions of D&D that they're based on do not.