Does anyone actually like Dragonborn and Tieflings?

[Barastrondo]

Addendum: I don't see the argument of "Well, they're different in my setting" as a valid one. That tells me you dislike the two races just as much, but you're willing to look past your dislike to alter them into something you do like. You still dislike the two races. You've just taken them and made them something more palpable to you.

By that logic, some of us out there don't like any of the races, up to and including humans. Do you honestly think that anybody who ever customized an elf to make it fit his personal campaign hates elves?

 

[Fifth Element]

Equally, I'm surprised people think adding those in will in of themselves be a draw for more people to start playing the game

I don't know what they were thinking; the only change they made between 3E and 4E was the addition of dragonborn and tieflings as core races. They put all their eggs in that basket, for sure.

 

[Mallus]

I mean, back in the day, Dragonborn and Tieflings would be nothing; we were plundering Arduin Grimore for Phraints and Deodanths, not to mention Sauregs; we had demons, Wolfriders, Vulcans with light sabers, and I think one guy even played a minature Godzilla.

I was thinking the same thing.

Everything breeds an orthodoxy, even --or perhaps especially-- unorthodox hobbies.

 

[The Green Adam]

Wait, we have a dragon-like core race now and there's supposedly less dragons in the PHB?

Um...yep. Read the last four or five posts to see examples. Dragonborn don't look very much like dragons. Rather, they more closely resemble some kind of bulky, scaley, squat, rounded off aliens. At best they look a bit like Ogres who mated with Lizardmen or something.

At least to me.

AD

 

[Ahglock]

Wouldn't you have to complain about Shadowrun 4E?

I know I do. Its a pile of suck fluff on a suck mechanic sandwich. The basic idea of losing dice instead of adding subtracting to the TN is fine, virtually everything else around that and both major subsystems magic and decking(yes decking not hacking) really suck hard. But I usually leave that to Shadowrun boards and not this one.

 

[Brennin Magalus]

Good thing they're not reptiles, then.

Pedantry does not change the bottom line that green & scaly and boobs do not mix.

 

[drothgery]

Pedantry does not change the bottom line that green & scaly and boobs do not mix.

Since only one picture in the PH or MM that might have depicted a dragonborn was green and scaly (red or a gold-ish color being by far the most common), I'm not sure what your point is.

 

[Mercurius]

You're kidding with the thread-title, right?

Being over-dramatic is more like it

 

[WayneLigon]

I like teiflings a bit more than dragonborn, because the campaign backstory that is currently percolating in my hindbrain would have tieflings but probably not dragonborn (except as villains; the setting probably will not have any Good dragons). I'm sure that at some point, I'll work on a setting that will be the other way around, then my tastes will adjust.

 

[Mercurius]

So with 666 votes tallied so far (good place to pause!), let's look at some numbers.

About BOTH Dragonborn and Tieflings...
43.8% are positive
26.4% are negative
20.7% are mixed or neutral


About Dragonborn...
53% are positive
37.8% are negative
9% are neutral

About Tieflings...
55.3% are positive
35.7% are negative