Does anyone actually like Dragonborn and Tieflings?

[Mallus]

The problem with dragonborn is how they're presented.

You could try ignoring the art and using your imagination.

they're lazy, they're sexist, and they pander horribly to 11-14 year old hole-in-pants demographics

Not a Frazetta fan, eh? So much for tradition.

 

[Doug McCrae]

Do other D&D boards talk about breasts this much or is it just us?

 

[ProfessorCirno]

You could try ignoring the art and using your imagination.

So you agree with me that the image the dragonborn present is a bad one and that players are better off making their own?

Not a Frazetta fan, eh? So much for tradition.

I like Frazetta's techniques, if not always his subject material. He's a good artist because he's good at making artwork, not because his characters show skin.

Honestly, that links right back to the complaints about the dragonborn. They're not aesthetically pleasing. The breasts - and many, many other things - hurt their image and amke them less "draconic humanoid creatures" and more "Humans in a funny suit."

 

[Brennin Magalus]

You could try ignoring the art and using your imagination.

It's a game of the imagination!

 

[Nifft]

So you agree with me that the image the dragonborn present is a bad one and that players are better off making their own?

I think it's quite a stretch to get from what he said to what you are trying to make him agree to have said.

Cheers, -- N

 

[Mallus]

So you agree with me that the image the dragonborn present is a bad one and that players are better off making their own?

I agree with myself that the art isn't important to me.

I like Frazetta's techniques, if not always his subject material.

I like Dejah Thoris, Princess of Helium... rawr.

He's a good artist because he's good at making artwork, not because his characters show skin.

I'm merely pointing out the longstanding relationship between the fantasy genre and ah... titillating imagery. WotC certainly didn't invent it, and from a certain point of view it's kinda traditional.

...and more "Humans in a funny suit."

All aliens and/or dragonmen are humans in funny suits. That's why they're useful to us as characters.

 

[Korgoth]

This is a biased way of presenting the data. For the "like" number you include only those who like both races, but for the "dislike" number you include those who dislike either race.

A more fair way to present it is: 44% like or love both races, 26% dislike or hate both races. The rest are indifferent, or split in their opinions of the races.

ARRGH. Everything is about "bias" this and "partisanship" that.

I was trying to explain how the OP might have gotten the impression that these were widely disliked. No flippin' politics involved, alright?! If option 3 means the respondent dislikes Tiefs, and option 4 means the respondent dislikes Drags (which is how I took them: like one but dislike the other to some degree) then almost half of the respondents had a negative opinion about one or both of these races. Which might lead the OP to think that they're widely disliked. That's a perfectly reasonable interpretation of the data and explains why the OP might have thought, incorrectly, that most people dislike them.

Currently, only 8.5% of respondents actually "hate" both races; we cannot tell how many respondents of 3 and 4 "hate" as opposed to merely dislike the disfavored race. But obviously the OP used overly strong language when he said "despised", because although it's clear that they are despised by some (or so they say when voting), the despisers are outnumbered by the likers and the dislikers as well.

 

[williamhm]

the dragonborn boobs arent a problem for me. After all its not as if dragonborn have beaks, or something else which would preclude breast feading. No where does it say dragons do not nurse their young. Im willing to go with it because its fanatasy.

 

[Keefe the Thief]

According to the poll, about 45% of respondents like them both, 8% don't care about them and the remaining 47% dislike one or both.

So, overall each one of the two has over a 50% "approval rating", but it's also true that almost 50% of people dislike at least one of them. I would guess that the latter is what gave the OP the impression that they are widely disliked.

Yeah, but this is ENworld. If you´d do a poll about "how do you like page numbers in 4e?", you´d get similar poll results, and a long-winded flamewar in which Mourn would defend the page numbers with posts like "it´s clearly an improvement over AD&Ds arbitrary numbering" and with a long winded essay from RFisher about the way of page numbering in AD&D that only 1/3 of the readers would understand but 3/4 of the readers would applaud for sensible explanations and reasonings.

In other words, it would be a pretty cool thread.

 

[The Little Raven]

In other words, it would be a pretty cool thread.

AD&D did, indeed, have an arbitrary page numbering scheme.