D&D 4E The problem with 4e

[Dragonstriker]

Ever since the release of the first rules snippets there have been discussions about how the rules actually work in play. This is a good thing as it enhances the rules understanding of all the participants.
Unfortunately since the actual release date there has been a trend that worries me, namely a significant number of posts where people have bizzarely twisted the interpretation of the rules and argued their verifiably OBJECTIVELY WRONG interpretation is the only possible one. I would prefer to view this in the best possible light, so can only explain their behaviour as that of rabid trolls. If it is not trolling then it can only be due to an appalling failure to comprehend english.
Please fellow members, read the rules with the view that they are written in clear english and actually mean what they say. We will all be better off for it.

 

[ForbidenMaster]

The only thing one has to keep in mind is that there is no such thing as infinite oregano.

 

[DracoSuave]

This isn't a problem with fourth edition D&D.

This is a problem with -role playing games- in general.

It's pretty much been like this since the first fighting-man and the first magic-user set foot in the first dungeon.


3rd edition trying to comprehensive rules everything which, ironicly, made ruleslawyering more rewarding, not less. 4.0 goes back to the industry norm of saying 'Hey. Common Sense it, DM, that's your job!'

What you see here isn't a feature of 4.0. It's the industry standard, and has been for more than two decades.

 

[arcanaman]

prehaps but salt travels through time

 

[Dragonstriker]

This isn't a problem with fourth edition D&D.

This is a problem with -role playing games- in general.

It's pretty much been like this since the first fighting-man and the first magic-user set foot in the first dungeon.

Yeah, I know that, I was trying to politely say RTFM n00b. Maybe I was too subtle.

 

[newpaintbrush]

Unfortunately since the actual release date there has been a trend that worries me, namely a significant number of posts where people have bizzarely twisted the interpretation of the rules and argued their verifiably OBJECTIVELY WRONG interpretation is the only possible one. I would prefer to view this in the best possible light, so can only explain their behaviour as that of rabid trolls.

"Them" implies plural. "You" is singular. Also, as you say, they are "rabid trolls".

Therefore, you say you are alone against a bunch of rabid trolls.

Good luck with that.

 

[Plane Sailing]

Yeah, I know that, I was trying to politely say RTFM n00b. Maybe I was too subtle.

Except of course you wouldn't say that, because being offensive to other people is against ENworld rules.

The original point is a good one though (I know of one of the examples you are thinking of). I have little patience for wilful twisting of rules by insisting on an ultra-literalistic parsing of language as against just going with what seems to make the most sense in context.

Regards

 

[NorthSaber]

I think that some might try to find flaws with the system just to get a cookie for "outsmarting WotC". But everyone plays as they like, and I find these discussions often lead to a deeper knowledge and understanding of the rules, at least for me.

 

[Dragonstriker]

"Them" implies plural. "You" is singular. Also, as you say, they are "rabid trolls".

Therefore, you say you are alone against a bunch of rabid trolls.

Good luck with that.

Tks. I appreciate your good wishes. I'm afraid it's gonna hurt.

 

[DracoSuave]

Yeah, I know that, I was trying to politely say RTFM n00b. Maybe I was too subtle.

Intriguing... I was trying to subtly hint that the problem wasn't with the design, but the same players who should rtfb nub.

Perhaps we're saying the same thing.

Perhaps.