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WotC changes how D&D mini's are going to be sold.

justanobody

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Unfortunately, DDM have proven you terribly wrong. People want good enough, not perfect.

Do people who paint miniatures put the same effort into painting their PC as one of a hundred orcs? I rather doubt it!

Cheers!

Ask Temperance on coolminiornot.com (If he has been there since hired by WotC), or Peter Lee on forums.gleemax.com. Or ask him here on a thread.

I am sure he would tell you that painting minis is not for the purpose of speed, but to make them all look like what they represent.

Good enough for rare, and good enough for common, are both of equal quality, so the point still remains. PCs shouldn't be "perfect" and monsters just be "good enough". Likewise rare should not be "perfect" and everything else just "good enough".

That is what quality control is all about.

More often times or not, you find that most mini painters treat them all equally. Be that of poor quality, or better quality. The production line on the other hand may put more emphasis on one or the other for artificial reasons as only secondary markets would benefit from better painted rares, because the manufacturer has made its money once the item is sold to the distributor, and the distributor has made their money once the item has sold to the retailer. The retailer has made his money when the item has sold to the customer.

Only singles markets can gain from varying paint qualities, so why would WotC put any time, money, or effort, in making rares look better than commons or uncommons? :confused:

Also to note of late it seems the paint quality and resulting sculpt from the molding process has not even yielded "good enough" minis.

So as long as the quality is the same across the board, then the product line will live or die by the average quality of the product.

(addendum: DMs may not even paint PC minis, so the quality of the PCs would not be of concern to them. The DM would put his effort in his avatars for the game which is everything else.)
 

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hennebeck

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I like the comparison to subscription based and the horrors this will bring.
Seriously? Really?

Don't we already play a subscription-based game?
1 book every month for $30.

What? You just use the Core books?
What? You could do the same thing in the future and not worry about the collectible powers?

We already have a subscription-based hobby.
just like buying season tickets to the opera.
Or a Year membership at the Country Club.

Except, if we don't want to pay anymore, we don't have to AND we still get to play with what we have.

I'ld say that's a pretty good deal right there.
 

avin

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I wish Wotc could make more thematic packages, a bunch of goblins, skeletons... and get rid of skirmish for once. I wish they make minis for Creature Collection's monsters... =/
 

Nebulous

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Hence tokens. Thanks to the abundance of free artwork, creating tokens of exactly the creatures I need will be super cheap. (A bag of wooden circles for backing is about $5.)

I'll probably still buy minis when I see ones I really like, not to mention for PCs, but it's too expensive to justify spending $50 or more dollars per adventure just representing the monsters your players encounter.

I find that tokens are great for minions, especially weird critters for which there are no miniature equivalents. I used tokens for kruthiks in a recent adventure, and i see that minis for kruthiks (two kinds) are coming out in the next set. Pricewise, it's hardly worth it.
 

I find that tokens are great for minions, especially weird critters for which there are no miniature equivalents. I used tokens for kruthiks in a recent adventure, and i see that minis for kruthiks (two kinds) are coming out in the next set. Pricewise, it's hardly worth it.
lol Ironically, Kruthiks are one of the few monsters I find cool enough to actually buy minis of. Granted, I already bought ten Kruthik Hatchlings (Deathknell).

I'll use my dragon minis when necessary, as well.
 

Tian Zi

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I play D&D, and have for about 20 years now. Having prepainted plastic minis has been an absolute improvement to the game for my group.

In the last 3 years, I've been playing the Skirmish game. It is a great competitive board game, and allows me to use the plastic minis I (and the group) were already buying.

As an RPGer, I am pretty ambivalent about the packaging change. Perhaps my group buys more minis than others, perhaps we've just been buying long enough that we do not feel any particular shortage of any particular monster or PC.

As a Skirmisher, this change sounds very discouraging. No more Limited/Sealed really hurts the casual player. How this effects Constructed remains to be seen.

Clearly, the Skirmish side was not worth considering when they went with this change. The announcement didn't even mention it!! How rude :erm:

The price of oil, and the desire to get into mass market stores like Wal-Mart seem like obvious motivators.

I hope this helps WotC as a whole, because I do not see it helping RPGers anymore than the old packaging model... Who does this satisfy?

DM: I need 20 goblins. Should I go to an online store and buy almost exactly what i want and have it shipped to me... or should I buy $15 boosters until I get what i want?

DM: I run many encounters in many sessions. I need a solid collection of minis to serve in as-yet-unanticipated combats, characters and campaign arcs. Do I buy a bit of every set? Or collections from online stores or individuals on eBay?

Player: I need a mini for my PC. Online store? Hope my DM has one? Buy $15 boosters till I get what i want?

I just don't get it from a DM, Players, or Skirmishers POV. I see it as a reaction to Heroscape, WoW minis, oil prices, and a desire to get 4e into Wal-Mart.

Total buzzkill.
 

ProfessorCirno

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I'd find this to be very deeply upsetting and startling if I wasn't laughing as hard as I am about it.

Several people saw this coming and were called out and attacked for it. Vindication indeed.
 

justanobody

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I just don't get it from a DM, Players, or Skirmishers POV. I see it as a reaction to Heroscape, WoW minis, oil prices, and a desire to get 4e into Wal-Mart.

Never going to happen. The books are too niche to carry in the book section for most stores, and there is no place in toy's/games section for books. Minis take up too much shelf space and sell too little for the overhead to carry them. Cards take up less space and have higher profits so are easy to carry a selection in some hidden place.

With the recent changes to Wal*mart store designs thee is going to be less space for things as the shelves themselves have been made shorter so they will be picking and choosing more of what they carry meaning less chance for 4e or DDM in them. You would have to live in a heavy gaming area in order to see these things, and most stores aren't in those areas for the Wal*mart warehouses to keep them in stock.
 

avin

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I was wondering again about the "visible" mini. How good will it be? Stores will be crowded with visible "wrackspawns"? o.0

They should get rid of random. And make some Arcanoloth already.

For people buying on Amazon it will be 100% random...
 


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