So...How are Sales of 4E Product?
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Jack99
Adventurer
No, I know that. We just disagree on what "breaking all sorts of records" means. I tried to explain it in my last post, but either my English sucks or there is something else causing interference in our communication, because I feel that you ignore every point I make.
I will try again.
Breaking all sorts of records /= (that means is not equal to) breaking all records.
Mustrum_Ridcully
Legend
To go back a little - the original question didn't require any records to be broken, but was just about the sales for 4E products.
As it stands now, we know the print runs for 4E are bigger then the one for 3.5 were (who were bigger than those for 3E). We know it exceeded WotC expectations so far.
We don't know sales for non-Core Rulebook products, and we know little about 3PP sales for GSL products. And of course we know nothing about the future sales.*
*) My speculation would be that sales for every edition follow similar patterns or trends, and thus if it initially sells well, it will continue to do so. But that's just my speculation, not fact.
As it stands now, we know the print runs for 4E are bigger then the one for 3.5 were (who were bigger than those for 3E). We know it exceeded WotC expectations so far.
We don't know sales for non-Core Rulebook products, and we know little about 3PP sales for GSL products. And of course we know nothing about the future sales.*
*) My speculation would be that sales for every edition follow similar patterns or trends, and thus if it initially sells well, it will continue to do so. But that's just my speculation, not fact.
I recal seeing something about H1 being reprinted fairly on in the process but I have no inclination to go digging up links.
As far as I know, that was mentioned in one of the Dragon columns, probably Ampersand. I'd link it but me and D&d insider are not getting along these days.
Imaro
Legend
I'm starting to get the impression that "sales of 4e products" is being equated with the corebooks and first module by alot of people...We know the corebooks sold well initially, and we even know amongst complaints of poor quality the special sneak peek module H1 sold well initially...but what about all the stuff that has been released that seems to be brushed over by 4e proponents, let's see...
1. FRCG
2. FRPG
3. H2 Thunderspire Labyrinth
4. Adventurers Vault
5. Character Record Sheets
6. Dungeon Masters Screen
7. FR1 Scepter Tower of Spellgard
8. H3 Pyramid of Shadows
9. P1 King of the Trollhaunt Warrens
I might have missed some stuff, but I haven't heard anything about any of these books going into new prints, or selling all that great. I could be wrong, but some of them are ranked pretty low on Amazon...even in comparison to other companies gaming products.
Another point for those claiming they aren't seeing any used 4e books for sale...I see them all the time on ebay and amazon...right now on amazon there are...
13 used core rules sets for sale starting around $55
14 Used PHB's from $18 and up
12 used DMG's from $15
9 used MM's from $18
So yeah, people are selling them back.
I think something that will be interesting to watch is how the DDI affects sales of books. Most hardcore gamers, who like 4e, will probably sign up for the DDI...however they have less incentive to buy the books once they do, since they have the compendium. On the other hand casual gamers and those who may not be as enraptured with 4e will be very discerning about what they buy...Thus they're reduced or even non-existent purchases and the (possibly) reduced purchases of the hardcore gamers may lead to a situation where the cost of publishing books and maintaining the DDI is not made up from the sales of either product and one will have to be dropped in order to cut costs.
I know I don't like 4e enough to subscribe to DDI at this point...yet WotC isn't really releasing anything that feels like a gotta have, for me, in the book department. I am starting to get the feeling that material is being held back for DDI (Dragon specifically) that could have been included in the already sparse books WotC is releasing, and it makes me reluctant to invest in this edition.
1. FRCG
2. FRPG
3. H2 Thunderspire Labyrinth
4. Adventurers Vault
5. Character Record Sheets
6. Dungeon Masters Screen
7. FR1 Scepter Tower of Spellgard
8. H3 Pyramid of Shadows
9. P1 King of the Trollhaunt Warrens
I might have missed some stuff, but I haven't heard anything about any of these books going into new prints, or selling all that great. I could be wrong, but some of them are ranked pretty low on Amazon...even in comparison to other companies gaming products.
Another point for those claiming they aren't seeing any used 4e books for sale...I see them all the time on ebay and amazon...right now on amazon there are...
13 used core rules sets for sale starting around $55
14 Used PHB's from $18 and up
12 used DMG's from $15
9 used MM's from $18
So yeah, people are selling them back.
I think something that will be interesting to watch is how the DDI affects sales of books. Most hardcore gamers, who like 4e, will probably sign up for the DDI...however they have less incentive to buy the books once they do, since they have the compendium. On the other hand casual gamers and those who may not be as enraptured with 4e will be very discerning about what they buy...Thus they're reduced or even non-existent purchases and the (possibly) reduced purchases of the hardcore gamers may lead to a situation where the cost of publishing books and maintaining the DDI is not made up from the sales of either product and one will have to be dropped in order to cut costs.
I know I don't like 4e enough to subscribe to DDI at this point...yet WotC isn't really releasing anything that feels like a gotta have, for me, in the book department. I am starting to get the feeling that material is being held back for DDI (Dragon specifically) that could have been included in the already sparse books WotC is releasing, and it makes me reluctant to invest in this edition.
Who freaking cares if 3e sold better then 4e or if 4e is better then 3e. These arguments are so damn old and tired already. If you like 3e, good for you, if you like 4e, good for you. I happen to like all editions and will play all editions with equal enthusiasm. Grow up and get off this "My (insert meaningless possession) is better then your (insert similar but newer or older meaningless possession)
Perhaps the word "record" does not mean what one of us thinks it means. Can you name one or two of the "all sort of records" which have supposedly claimed to be broken by 4E?
malraux
First Post
Size of initial print run: the 4e was larger than 3e or 3.5
Time to sell out of initial print run: 4e sold through its initial print run faster than 3e or 3.5.
darjr
I crit!
Sales rank doesn't mean much, as an idividual sample, cause it's calculated hourly.
the mover's and shakers list is a change of sales rank over the last 24 hours.
As of today it has "Martial Power" as #30 on the list with a sales rank of 198 up from the one a day ago of 366.
Amazon.com Movers & Shakers: The biggest gainers in Books sales rank over the past 24 hours.
Not a lot to go on, but a good indication that it isn't doing to bad.
the mover's and shakers list is a change of sales rank over the last 24 hours.
As of today it has "Martial Power" as #30 on the list with a sales rank of 198 up from the one a day ago of 366.
Amazon.com Movers & Shakers: The biggest gainers in Books sales rank over the past 24 hours.
Not a lot to go on, but a good indication that it isn't doing to bad.
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