I'm sure am glad that you chose the mature option of calmly disagreeing with me since I do not share your viewpoint.
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digital insider: Monk in PH3, playtest in May
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JoeGKushner
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I'm just worried about your mental health. All this obsession over other people's obsession can't be healthy. You should avoid all threads with the monk in them from now on. You'll probably be happier if you do. You seem vehemently opposed to other people commenting on the old monk to a point I thought entertaining. My apologies if I've offended.
I'm fine.
I am certain that the monk will be a ki striker. It's so obvious; any other speculation is ludicrous. It's wishful thinking that's wrong. And the constant, enthusiastic wrongness gets on my nerves.
I am so certain that the monk will be a ki striker, I'll put $200 on it.
Are you so certain it'll be Martial, Joe? Care to make a bet?
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JoeGKushner
Adventurer
Nope. I'm not certain at all. That's why I was thinking there might be a break of the funky monk stuff versus the pure unarmed fighter that's more... robust than a monk tends to be.
But that could open up another market... sort of like a dead pool. You'd have to get a third party to take the bets with the money up front and then the winners get their slice from that.
That might be a break in the Ki striker class, that one is more about stances and such, and the other is like Ryu from Street Fighter.
But WotC has never signaled they're going to try and cater to multiple tastes like that. So I don't expect it any time soon.
There is, simply put, more money in delivering the Wuxia-and-all classes, then there is in not going full-tilt. Because I believe the Wuxia-likers outweigh the non, and watering down the Ninja/Monk/Samurai to accommodate the later will likely alienate the former.
It's the same reason I believe the monk won't be psionic. Because you have your psionic fans, your oriental adventures fans, and you don't want to alienate them both by putting the Psionutbutter in the chocoMonk.
That, and WotC obviously likes putting things in nice little boxes, instead of letting them spread out, archetypely speaking. For instance: if you want to be an Archer, you must be a Ranger. The end. So it stands to reason: If you want to hit things with your fist, you're going to be a Ki Monk. The end.
If they were going to make a martial power-source option, they'd have put it in Martial Power, as an alternative build for the Fighter or Rogue or Ranger.
I could get behind that.
JoeGKushner
Adventurer
In terms of putting things in little boxes though, we're already starting to see them peel that back a little. Martial Power does have an option for the old two sword wielding fighter now.
I suspect those things will be parcleled out in places like Dragon and other Player focused sourcebooks.
I suspect those things will be parcleled out in places like Dragon and other Player focused sourcebooks.
Mustrum_Ridcully
Legend
The really intersting question isn't the power source nor the role of the Monk. That will be Ki Striker. 
The question is what kind of implement/weapon do they use to get their enhancement bonus to attack and damage?
The question is what kind of implement/weapon do they use to get their enhancement bonus to attack and damage?
Phaezen
Adventurer
The really intersting question isn't the power source nor the role of the Monk. That will be Ki Striker.
The question is what kind of implement/weapon do they use to get their enhancement bonus to attack and damage?
I would not be too surprised to see the monk parceled out into several roles like the druid. Monk - Ki Striker, ...? Ki defender, ...? ki controler. I do expect to see some defender and controller secondary abilities at the very least.
Now to add to the speculation Str, Dex and Wis as primary attributes?
Phaezen
Mustrum_Ridcully
Legend
So many questions... I think Strength (Grappler Build) and Dex (Maneuver Build) as primary attribute, and Wis as secondary. If they still do the "two different abilities for primary attacks". Otherwise, I suppose they might want to pick Wisdom. But Wisdom also makes sense as their "Striking Special Ability" stat (like with the Avenger and Sorcerer do it)
Grappler Variant is all about grapple, pins and throws, while the Maneuver Build trips and knocks prone and is pretty mobile.
Alternatively, stuff gets even more mystical in one variant, with "Ki Strikes" at range or stuff like that.
If it would really be STR/DEX/WIS, this would mean they can cover all defenses with their statistics, which might be neat. (Of course, you still "only" get 2 ability bumps at 4/8/14/18/24/28th level, so one defense will still lag...
Or it will be all very different.
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