Arcane Power: Vestige Pact

[BarkingDeathSquirrel]

I'm expecting the main pact to be rather generic. Hopefully the paragon paths associated with it will have the same highly specific benefits that made pact magic so interesting in 3e.

Honestly, when I started reading the Star Pact powers (particularly the ones from the Dragon article), I had the inkling that the Vestige Pact was effectively folded into it, and that any flavor of separate vestiges was just fluff.

Still, I figured the best way to fully convert the Binder was to make a Paragon Path (as you mentioned) that gave out the various abilities (or abilities that kept the same theme) for each of the Vestiges in ToM. Or even Rituals that let you swap out Encounter/Utility/Daily powers for new Vestige abilities.

My real favorite part of the Binder in all was the unique fluff, the signs, and the various Vestiges themselves. I have my doubts that a new Warlock Pact will really feel the same as the Binder, or at most be a shadow of its former nifty'ness, and that makes me sad.

Oh well, I have to give them credit for trying.

 

[Kaodi]

Well, it would probably be fairly simple to make a feat for each of the Vestiges, swiping the Cleric's strategy for differentiation.

 

[Shroomy]

I'm hoping that there are at least a couple of paragon paths dedicated to particular patron vestiges (like with the Scion of Dantalion and the Tenebrous Apostate prestige classes in Tome of Magic).

I'll second that desire to see heavy use of the stance mechanic to summon particular vestiges. Maybe each daily power can focus on a different entity.

I'd honestly have preferred a seperate binder class but I hold out hope that this can be implemented in an interesting/flavorful way as part of the warlock class.

I like the stance idea; it definitely works for the barbarian and warden daily powers. Powers with the Summoning keyword would also be another interesting route.

So Vestige Pact, Constitution or Charisma?

 

[Almacov]

So Vestige Pact, Constitution or Charisma?

Perhaps a mix, like Star Pact.
The Binder class always claimed to key off of both of them, but to be honest it seemed like Charisma was used far more often than Constitution.

I like the idea of feats tied to specific vestiges, but I don't think it'll happen outside of homebrew material.

The ritual mechanic would be a helpful way to implement things, but again, I feel doubtful that it will be used for Vestige negotiations in any official material.

In terms of Paragon Paths, it should be very interesting to see what they do. I for one look forward to seeing an Epic Destiny that lets you gradually become an enigmatic vestige.

 

[Cadfan]

My real favorite part of the Binder in all was the unique fluff, the signs, and the various Vestiges themselves. I have my doubts that a new Warlock Pact will really feel the same as the Binder, or at most be a shadow of its former nifty'ness, and that makes me sad.

Oh well, I have to give them credit for trying.

Yeah. The binder was cool because it was so incredibly intertwined with the setting and the mythology of the game. I'm not sure they'll do that again.