New Forgotten Realms designed by FR haters?

[genshou]

OK, so basically there's a lot of it, and it's everywhere, but there's nothing specific you can point out because you're worried about ... cooties?

Well, yes. That and there is no longer a FLGS within 100 miles. Places like Barnes & Noble usually seal the expensive books to prevent damage. Besides, the hour or two of free time I get a day is used for far more enjoyable things than reading a book I have no interest in.

And yet you can speak so eloquently of its flaws! Amazing! Have you always had this talent for critiquing books you've never read?

I'll be happy to discuss that further with you if you will promise not to post in a passive-aggressive manner about it.

 

[Obryn]

Well, yes. That and there is no longer a FLGS within 100 miles. Places like Barnes & Noble usually seal the expensive books to prevent damage. Besides, the hour or two of free time I get a day is used for far more enjoyable things than reading a book I have no interest in.

Right, which is why I'm confused why you'd spend your limited free time online, basically taking swipes at a game you admittedly neither know or care about, rather than posting about a game you both like and know about.

I'll be happy to discuss that further with you if you will promise not to post in a passive-aggressive manner about it.

No, I think it's pretty clear you've reached your conclusions. Besides, it's been covered hundreds of times on this forum already. I'll just go back to an old thread and figure out what you will say; you can go back to an old thread and figure out what I'll say; and that's every inch of ground we could possibly cover.

-O

 

[Echohawk]

Unless I've simply missed a ton of WotC's marketing, that number looks to be at least two times too large.

I count 22 game products, 30 novels and three miscellaneous Eberron products:
[sblock]Game products
2004/06 Eberron Campaign Setting
2004/07 Shadows of the Last War
2004/09 Whispers of the Vampire's Blade
2004/11 Sharn: City of Towers
2005/01 Grasp of the Emerald Claw
2005/04 Races of Eberron
2005/07 Deluxe Dungeon Master's Screen
2005/07 Five Nations
2005/08 Deluxe Eberron Character Sheets
2005/08 Explorer's Handbook
2005/10 Magic of Eberron
2006/01 Player's Guide to Eberron
2006/04 Voyage of the Golden Dragon
2006/07 Secrets of Xen'drik
2006/09 Faiths of Eberron
2006/11 Dragonmarked
2007/02 Secrets of Sarlona
2007/04 Eyes of the Lich Queen
2007/06 Forge of War
2007/10 Dragons of Eberron
2008/02 City of Stormreach
2008/03 An Adventurer's Guide to Eberron
(22)

Novels
2005/02 The City of Towers
2005/03 Marked for Death
2005/05 The Crimson Talisman
2005/08 The Binding Stone
2005/10 The Orb of Xoriat
2006/01 Road to Death
2006/02 The Shattered Land
2006/03 The Grieving Tree
2006/04 Tales of the Last War
2006/05 Thieves of Blood
2006/06 Voyage of the Mourning Dawn
2006/07 In the Claws of the Tiger
2006/09 Blood and Honor
2006/10 Queen of Death
2006/11 The Gates of Night
2006/12 The Killing Song
2007/02 Flight of the Dying Sun
2007/03 Forge of the Mindslayers
2007/04 Bound by Iron
2007/05 Night of the Long Shadows
2007/06 Legacy of Wolves
2007/07 The Left Hand of Death
2007/08 Storm Dragon (hardcover)
2007/10 Rise of the Seventh Moon
2008/02 Sea of Death
2008/03 The Darkwood Mask
2008/05 Storm Dragon (paperback)
2008/06 Dragon Forge (hardcover)
2008/08 The Doom of Kings
2008/10 When Night Falls
2008/11 The Queen of Stone
2009/04 Dragon Forge (paperback)
(30)

Other stuff
2005/09 Dragonshard (PC game)
2006/06 Eye of the Wolf (comic)
2006/06 Dragons: Worlds Afire (anthology novel)
(3)[/sblock]

 

[Edena_of_Neith]

(humor)

Don't always believe what you read online.

Otherwise, you might start believing me. And this would be a foolish thing to do.
After all, if you believe me, then I have a 161st level character I simply must show you. (It's legit. Really! Why, I can even go into the details of why. Honest ...)

As for the Forgotten Realms, bah ... people have always hated them. And other people have always loved them.
It's always been that way, always will be.
Just so long as Arilyn Moonblade eventually becomes Queen of Evermeet, everything will be just fine with me, regarding this setting.

 

[Hussar]

I remembered this offending material, so I looked it up. It's from the 'Races & Classes' marketing book.

"But when's the last time you saw a PC make a Profession check that had a useful effect on the game? (Hint: If it was recently, your game is probably not as much fun as D&D should be. Sorry.)"

The bit in parenthesis was a stupid joke that shouldn't have made it into publication. I think, given the material surrounding that bit, that the people who wrote and edited it thought they were being funny about having to put ranks in Profession skills all the time if you wanted to stay current for a relatively esoteric check. Obviously, it offended people more than it amused, but I don't think it's particularly ingenious to decide the whole system is talking down to the players and dictating their fun based on a lame joke in a promotional book from before said system was even published.

Let's face it though, they've got a point. How often is your game dramatically changed by a Profession check? How many profession checks has your entire party made in the last ten sessions?

Now, compare that to how many attack rolls, Spot checks, or saving throws, all of which are likely a heck of a lot more interesting than a profession check will ever hope to be.

Whether you like the way its worded or not, he's got a pretty strong point.

 

[Fenes]

FWIW, I own the FR 4E CS. It failed to deliver any fleshed out regions or locations, it just has some sketches of some countries, so generic you'd not know it was FR apart from some names left.

It's a new setting, and it's a shame that they had to wreck an established setting for it.

 

[Spatula]

I count 22 game products

That sounds about right. And 5 of those are adventures, and 2 are misc game products (DM screen & character sheets). So, 15 Ebrron game books to-date.

30 novels

Wow! That's a surprising amount to me, but then I'm not particularly interested in D&D novels.

Thanks for taking the time to compile that.

 

[Bacons]

Let's face it though, they've got a point. How often is your game dramatically changed by a Profession check? How many profession checks has your entire party made in the last ten sessions?

Now, compare that to how many attack rolls, Spot checks, or saving throws, all of which are likely a heck of a lot more interesting than a profession check will ever hope to be.

Whether you like the way its worded or not, he's got a pretty strong point.

Haha oh man, I guess I was unclear, because I seem to have two replies thinking I am in deep hate with the profession check comment. I don't care about Profession checks. Obviously, though, somebody out there must be playing a Profession Check Frenzy game, because people are getting pretty worked up about the comment, and extrapolating it to become the whole attitude of everything associated with 4e. I don't think the joke should have been published, but purely because I think it was a PR/marketing gaffe; somebody was always going to take it crazy seriously and be offended by it.

 

[mhacdebhandia]

Obviously, their preferred playstyle of mindlessly slaying everything their PC's came into contact with was so much more fun than games with a significant amount of roleplaying.

Oh, yeah, OBVIOUSLY. What a bunch of crap.

 

[Keefe the Thief]

FWIW, I own the FR 4E CS. It failed to deliver any fleshed out regions or locations, it just has some sketches of some countries, so generic you'd not know it was FR apart from some names left.

It's a new setting, and it's a shame that they had to wreck an established setting for it.

It is the same old realms, just 100 years into the future. And slimming down the setting in order to somewhat resemble the Grey Box again in scope gets a big thumbs up from me. Sketches, some NPCs, some info about current events... THAT is the realms. Not 100 supplements detailing everything. YMMV.