JoeGKushner
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Really? Sounds like poll time!
Or, he could've been saying, or meaning, the most popular published D&D setting. But hey, whatever floats your boat man.
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Really? Sounds like poll time!
Or, he could've been saying, or meaning, the most popular published D&D setting. But hey, whatever floats your boat man.
jdrakeh
Front Range Warlock
So I am. Still, it has almost no bearing on this thread one way or the other.
Actually it does. One poster made the claim that Eberron fit perfectly and needed no fixing to fit, yet WotC planned on changing it anyway. The the fans spoke and they chanegd their mind.
FR was changed despite a similar outcry, and one does wonder if it was done inspite of that. Was was one radicaly changed, and one left alone despite similar outcries. One then can start to wonder why they HAD to make the changes made, and wonder a bit more if the original poster's question, do/did the designers disliked FR has some traction.
It bears a bit of thought.
jdrakeh
Front Range Warlock
Nothing you have (or anybody else) posted indicates that anybody at WotC hates FR. That said, I'm well aware that some people are always going to immediately jump to that conlusion and ignore dozens of other, much more likely, possibilities along the way.
WotC changed FR when some fans said they didn't want that to happen? WotC hates FR!
That massive leap in logic doesn't take into consideration things like the portion of the fanbase who was complaining, the then current state of FR product sales, and dozens of other variables that are far more likely to have impacted the decision to alter FR rather than pure, unreasoned, hatred
D'karr
Adventurer
I does bear a bit of thought. The FR books where being developed almost at the same time that the 4e books were being developed. So fans could not have made a "similar" outcry, since the books went to print way before the "fans" had too much of an inkling of what 4e looked like.
The outcry for Eberron, started after the FR books were published. They (WotC) has had more than a year to make changes to Eberron, if they so chose.
I don't mind the changes to either setting. Like I said before, it is a "game setting". My nerdrage meter does not even register a blip for this event.
After all, there was a ton of outcry from "fans" when 3e changed FR, and some other outcry when TSR published "From the Ashes" for Greyhawk. The world did not end then, it has not ended now. I still don't see the need for all the "sky is falling" attitude.
If someone doesn't like the changes to the setting, then they don't have to use them. Isn't the idea of a "game setting" to give the DM a base that he can tailor to whatever he wants? This fixation with canon is silly IMO.
Treat the books as a buffet. Take what you like and use it to your hearts content. Leave anything that does not please your game palate.
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What I have is simply food for thought:Nothing you have (or anybody else) posted indicates that anybody at WotC hates FR. That said, I'm well aware that some people are always going to immediately jump to that conlusion and ignore dozens of other, much more likely, possibilities along the way.
WotC changed FR when some fans said they didn't want that to happen? WotC hates FR!
That massive leap in logic doesn't take into consideration things like the portion of the fanbase who was complaining, the then current state of FR product sales, and dozens of other variables that are far more likely to have impacted the decision to alter FR rather than pure, unreasoned, hatred
Bother eberron fans and FR fans had an outcry at fast folwarding the setting 100years and basically, for all intents and purpose, wreck the setting for the fans.
On one hand, they listened to eberron fans and backed down.
On a second hand, they went ahead and changed the setting. Much to a good number of long time fans digust.
Why? why did they leave one unchanged and not another? Did they hate the setting? Maybe, maybe not. Did they want to bring it to a more POL variation? Maybe, maybe not. Did they just want to change for change sake-as seen in a few of teh 4e changes? Maybe. maybe not.
To say it has NO bearing on the discussion is flat out wrong. Does it mean or even indicate they favor one setting over another? maybe, maybe not.
It is, however, relevant, no matter how many times you say its not.
Let me state for the record: I got no dog in this fight. I dislike the FR setting before 4e, and nothings changed. I dont care for Eberron either. I'm a much more old school Greyhawk one.
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I'm curious to see the sales of the FR book, and what they were and such. In the end, if sales werent good, perhaps thats an indicator of what they might want to reconsider next time.
But here's a thought again: if your going to sell to folks, your customers, wouldnt you want to gauge a bit what they DO want or liked in a setting, before changing? It doesnt necessarily mean you will listen or even impliment any of the changes, but I wouldnt ignore my target audience either.... from a business POV.
I dont care for either FR or Eberron myself. But I just wanted to correct an incorrect thought running through.
Charwoman Gene
Adventurer
Because they had time to course correct on Eberron. I think they would have course corrected on FR, but there was absolutely no way to change course.
JoeGKushner
Adventurer
I believe we saw posts to this effect. The ships had already been burned so to speak.
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