New Forgotten Realms designed by FR haters?

[jdrakeh]

I guess about 12 people does not make "plenty" in my book.

In that thread I see what I see in all these threads. The same people arguing back and forth. Just because I can post 5,000 times in less than 2 hours does not make me "plenty" of people.

I don't see this groundswell of fury that threatens to overwhelm world. YMMV.

This was exactly my point. It's a storm in a teacup, so far as I'm concerned. The awesome gale of fan rage being referred to in this instance just doesn't exist, AFAICT. All I see is a lot of hyperbole.

Also, FWIW, Candlekeep is clearly a fansite devoted to one very specific niche of D&D and in no way representative of D&D players as a whole. Suggesting otherwise is more than a little incredulous.

 

[carmachu]

After seeing some of the "conversations" on these and other boards, I'm not sure that I wouldn't flat out ignore "THAT" target audience.

Since you can't please everyone, it seems reasonable that I would "sell" to the biggest target audience, not the ones that scream the loudest.

You know, thats the EXACT attitude that encapsulates 4e perfectly, they "screw it, we'll do it our way whether you like it or not. Damn the torpedos, full steam ahead."

Whether its FR, GSL, or 4e in general, it seems very much so, with little room for debate.

 

[rounser]

This was exactly my point. It's a storm in a teacup, so far as I'm concerned. The awesome gale of fan rage being referred to in this instance just doesn't exist, AFAICT. All I see is a lot of hyperbole.

So the overwhelmingly negative amazon reviews for the new FR book aren't representative either, I suppose?

 

[Nightson]

So the overwhelmingly negative amazon reviews for the new FR book aren't representative either, I suppose?

67 reviews does not a comprehensive survey make, especially when it's a self selected sample.

 

[SPECTRE666]

I support what happened in the Realms. Sure if Steven Schend and the old TSR Crew were still writing for the Realms full-time I seriously doubt that this would have happened. Candlekeep per the Mods have stated that Candlekeep is open to the 4E Realms. They may not agree with what has happened but they wont isolate any pro 4e threads, like some fans wanted. Candlekeep is getting better because of it.

The Hooded One recently stated that Ed originally did not want to tell stories about El and the other Chosen, but TSR and WotC wanted him to. Now they go and remove them. Sage at Candlekeep said that he did not post on the WotC boards for a year because of the arguements that always surrounded Ed on the WotC forums. So for 4E WotC stuck Ed off into his own little corner (Returned Abeir) and removed the stumbling block so to speak from the Realms. Its like enjoying Eberron and hating Keith Baker, I dont get it. Yet some people hate Ed.

They wanted to open up space for the authors to write new stories in. I for one dont use realms novels for cannon. I just want to read a good story. Mistshore is actually a part of Ed's home game. Go figure. The 4E Novels are really good.

Rich "who must be stopped" Baker stated that we as fans would never know of the Battles that he fought for the Realms before the announcement.

People have been complaining about the direction the Realms have been taking since the advent of 3E. If anything since the Times of Troubles. So fans complining about the direction of the Realms is nothing new.

SPECTRE/18DELTA/BRIMSTONE

 

[Jack99]

People have been complaining about the direction the Realms have been taking since the advent of 3E. If anything since the Times of Troubles. So fans complining about the direction of the Realms is nothing new.
SPECTRE/18DELTA/BRIMSTONE

When I read these boards, I think I must be the only person in the world who thought the Times of Trouble were cool.

 

[jdrakeh]

67 reviews does not a comprehensive survey make, especially when it's a self selected sample.

It also has nothing to do with the immediate subject at hand, which was the purported fan reaction to a handful of pages at the back of the GHotR product

 

[rounser]

67 reviews does not a comprehensive survey make, especially when it's a self selected sample.

No, but there's a point where dismissing a host of sources (amazon, multiple forums etc) each as a vocal minority becomes just special pleading.

 

[Fenes]

No, but there's a point where dismissing a host of sources (amazon, multiple forums etc) each as a vocal minority becomes just special pleading.

If you do not blindly love all things WotC you're a minority for some people, no matter how many you number.

It really reminds me of the NGE from Star Wars Galaxies, same "if you don't like it you're a minority!" claims.

 

[Doc_Klueless]

No, but there's a point where dismissing a host of sources (amazon, multiple forums etc) each as a vocal minority becomes just special pleading.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I have an observation (which doesn't deal with self-selection, which is its own horrendous problem with internet surveys/reviews).

In order to add together those different sources, one must show that each person within them are unique (that is the same person didn't post a negative review in each area) and that if there are non-uniques, they are only counted once.