Forked Thread: How much does WotC policies matter to your enjoyment of the game

[Xyxox]

And where exactly is the lie in that video?

OH COOL!

So I CAN play on a virtual tabletop in the DDI!

Why haven't they announced it yet?

 

[The Little Raven]

OH COOL!

So I CAN play on a virtual tabletop in the DDI!

Why haven't they announced it yet?

Oh, so a preview for a product that hasn't been released yet and has been mentioned in numerous news updates as coming down the pipeline in the future constitutes a lie. Right.

 

[Aberzanzorax]

I guess printing that an entire suite of D&Di tools will be available at release inside their books, stating so on their website, and telling their distributors as late as a month before the actual release of the books (and not retracting it in ANY meaninful fashion)....

...and then NONE of their suite is available-- isn't a lie?


If they had said "we have plans for...X, Y, and Z. They'll be available sometimes soon..." MAYBE it would just be a misrepresentation or a "twisting" of the truth.


That's not what they said.


They knew, when they said that the tools would be available at launch, that they would NOT be.


You can forgive them for this lie, to be sure. You can say it doesn't matter.


But to say it's not a lie? I don't know how you can say that.


Come on, here.

 

[Qualidar]

I would say that I do have ethics. I would also say that while the decision to discontinue .pdf distribution is....

LZ, please note that my post wasn't dealing with the ethics or issues of Wizards and their PDFs. I understand that you don't find their actions to be over your ethical line, and I certainly don't begrudge you your opinion. The part of your post I was responding to (and I quoted) was:

What I cannot understand is the mentality that has people saying they will no longer support a company for reasons that hvae nothing to do with the price or quality of their product.

For some people, WotC's recent actions are over their ethical line. If you honestly understand that there are valid reasons to avoid buying from a company due to ethical considerations, and your point is that you don't think that the current situation crosses that line for you, then you probably should have just come out and said that. Otherwise there doesn't seem to be a point other than fishing for affirmation and negating the value of other people's opinions on the matter.

 

[Xyxox]

Oh, so a preview for a product that hasn't been released yet and has been mentioned in numerous news updates as coming down the pipeline in the future constitutes a lie. Right.

The Virtual Tabletop is vaporware. It will never be released.

On top of that, they said in the books the thing would be available, it wasn't.

They lied. You ignored it.

 

[Aus_Snow]

One of my faves is the 'you'll be able to get a PDF with your hardcover for the price of a cup of coffee' claim, way back. Given recent decisions, it's even more of a classic than ever.

Oh, then there's the BS, various and sustained, re: the GSL. What a load of dishonest, dishonourable manoeuvring and manipulation.

Pulling the PDFs having anything to do with 'piracy'. Ahahahahaha. . . . oh, that's comedy gold.

If you choose to laugh at it, anyway. Otherwise, it's sad and pathetic. That some people actually swallow that lie, well, that's even more so.

 

[Xyxox]

One of my faves is the 'you'll be able to get a PDF with your hardcover for the price of a cup of coffee' claim, way back. Given recent decisions, it's even more of a classic than ever.

Oh, then there's the BS, various and sustained, re: the GSL. What a load of dishonest, dishonourable manoeuvring and manipulation.

Pulling the PDFs having anything to do with 'piracy'. Ahahahahaha. . . . oh, that's comedy gold.

If you choose to laugh at it, anyway. Otherwise, it's sad and pathetic. That some people actually swallow that lie, well, that's even more so.

You know, at first I was angry, but I have a copy of most of the 1E and 2E stuff I wanted, so it ain't too bad for me personally.

In fact, the whole debacle has actually been a good thing for me as it opened me up to explore other game publishers. M&M ios going to be getting a lot of play at my table.

 

[Mallus]

For some people, WotC's recent actions are over their ethical line. If you honestly understand that there are valid reasons to avoid buying from a company due to ethical considerations, and your point is that you don't think that the current situation crosses that line for you, then you probably should have just come out and said that.

I think some people, well, like me for instance, can't see how ethics are involved in this at all.

WotC has decided to stop selling products in a specific format, and they've decided to let certain products go 'out-of-print' (electronically, they can still be purchased through normal out-of-print channels). This is bad for a consumer of those products, but what ethical line has been crossed?

 

[billd91]

I think some people, well, like me for instance, can't see how ethics are involved in this at all.

WotC has decided to stop selling products in a specific format, and they've decided to let certain products go 'out-of-print' (electronically, they can still be purchased through normal out-of-print channels). This is bad if a consumer of those products, but what ethical line has been crossed?

I'd be open to interpreting their rapid timeline for notifying the vendors, notifying customers, and then removing the products as being ethically questionable. I'm not convinced it truly is, but I'd be open to the argument.

But even if the behavior was strictly ethical, I may still be cheesed about poor customer service, dubious strategic decisions, repetitively bad PR, etc.

 

[Mallus]

But even if the behavior was strictly ethical, I may still be cheesed about poor customer service, dubious strategic decisions, repetitively bad PR, etc.

Oh sure, I think this was a bad business decision, or, at the very least, the poor execution of a business decision. But not unethical.