Granting a shift to a prone ally

[Starfox]

Knockdown is pretty wimpy as-is in 4E. Letting people shift their friends into a standing position makes it even more so.

It is kind of funny with the bards many ally-shifting abilities - they work perfectly fine on a prone ally.

 

[Nikosandros]

It is kind of funny with the bards many ally-shifting abilities - they work perfectly fine on a prone ally.

How so? Since you can't shift while prone, I don't think that you can take a shift granted by an ally.

 

[Ginnel]

How so? Since you can't shift while prone, I don't think that you can take a shift granted by an ally.

The bard power allows you to slide an ally so technically they have no input whatsoever into that movement unless they have a slide preventing ability

 

[Nail]

Prone is already one of the weaker conditions, no need to make it worse.

Agreed.

I'd vote for "no house rule" here; no shifting when prone, even when granted by an ally's power.

 

[Nikosandros]

The bard power allows you to slide an ally so technically they have no input whatsoever into that movement unless they have a slide preventing ability

I don't think that's correct. If you're immobilized and an ally grants you a shift, you can't use it, because you can't move. Similarly, when prone you can't take advantage of a granted shift because of your condition.

 

[Nail]

The bard power allows you to slide an ally so technically they have no input whatsoever into that movement unless they have a slide preventing ability

I don't think that's correct. If you're immobilized and an ally grants you a shift, you can't use it, because you can't move. Similarly, when prone you can't take advantage of a granted shift because of your condition.

When you are prone, you can be slid. (PH p. 277). Maybe Ginnel is talking about the Bard encounter power "Shout of Triumph", in which allies are slid.

 

[Nikosandros]

When you are prone, you can be slid. (PH p. 277). Maybe Ginnel is talking about the Bard encounter power "Shout of Triumph", in which allies are slid.

Ah, yes... I can't read.

 

[Starfox]

How so? Since you can't shift while prone, I don't think that you can take a shift granted by an ally.

Ops, my bad. Bards SLIDE allies, nothing else. I always get these terms confused, and in this case it was important to the argument.

 

[Ginnel]

Heh I was actually talking about the bards virtue of cunning class feature, which allows you to slide an ally one square who is missed by an attack as long as they are within Int + something or other squares.

Slide = no choice from the target muwhahahahaha

but if you do bad things I doubt he'll be your ally for long *ponders how one stops becoming an ally and how long that takes and if you have stopped being an ally can it be reversed *

 

[Saeviomagy]

Heh I was actually talking about the bards virtue of cunning class feature, which allows you to slide an ally one square who is missed by an attack as long as they are within Int + something or other squares.

Slide = no choice from the target muwhahahahaha

but if you do bad things I doubt he'll be your ally for long *ponders how one stops becoming an ally and how long that takes and if you have stopped being an ally can it be reversed *

The keyword "ally" assumes "willing". And at any point, your ally can cease to be willing as a free action, which would effectively interrupt whatever bad thing you were intending to do with a square of a slide.