Healing Guides

[boar]

From the context and the sentence structure it seems very clear to me that "any ally" means "any one ally:. They would say all allies if they meant that.

You're incorrect. If the law says, "Any person out past curfew will be prosecuted," do you believe the police will only prosecute the first person they catch and ignore everyone else?

From the context and the sentence structure it is clear and unequivocal that the feature applies to all allies. The sentence is setting up a RULE, and anyone (yes, anyone!) who meets the trigger condition of that rule will experience the result.

 

[Flipguarder]

Then why doesn't it say this?

"Healing Guides (11th level): When you restore
hit points with your healing spirit power, all allies
adjacent to or within a conjuration or a zone that you
created with a shaman power or a shaman paragon
path power also regains hit points as if they were
adjacent to your spirit companion."

Using the words any instead of all, and he/she instead of they indicates that it was meant for one rather than all.

It's like saying (hypothetical time)

"Any family member may attend your ceremony and he/she will be seated near your place in the line."

Would you assume from reading this that you can invite ALL your family to the ceremony? It's the same sentence structure and uses the same words.

 

[WalterKovacs]

It's like saying (hypothetical time)

"Any family member may attend your ceremony and he/she will be seated near your place in the line."

Would you assume from reading this that you can invite ALL your family to the ceremony? It's the same sentence structure and uses the same words.

Would you assume you are only allowed to invite one family member?

One thing no one seems to be mentioning:

"Healing Guides (11th level): When you restore
hit points with your healing spirit power, any ally
adjacent to or within a conjuration or a zone that you
created with a shaman power or a shaman paragon
path power also regains hit points as if he or she were
adjacent to your spirit companion."

The word also is in there. They don't just regain hit points as if they were adjacent, they ALSO regain hit points as if they were adjacent.

Another thing. Yes, they could have said "all allies ...", but then again they could have said "any one ally ..." Then again, because this only applies to some allies (the ones that are in the right places), all allies may have been considered confusing for some (does it have to be all or nothing, what happens if there is only one ally, etc).

 

[0-hr]

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[0-hr]

As the quote up above says, any ally regains hit points as if he or she were
adjacent to your spirit companion. Well, if they were adjacent to your spirit companion, they would regain hit points only if they were the (single) target designated to do so.

To paraphrase, Healing Spirit says "one ally adjacent to your spirt companion is healed" and Healing Guides says "any ally in a zone is considered adjacent".

Whether "any ally" is singular or plural, the result is that only one person is going to get that extra healing.

 

[WalterKovacs]

As the quote up above says, any ally regains hit points as if he or she were
adjacent to your spirit companion. Well, if they were adjacent to your spirit companion, they would regain hit points only if they were the (single) target designated to do so.

To paraphrase, Healing Spirit says "one ally adjacent to your spirt companion is healed" and Healing Guides says "any ally in a zone is considered adjacent".

Whether "any ally" is singular or plural, the result is that only one person is going to get that extra healing.

If only one person is getting the extra healing ... why are they 'also' getting it, as per the text of the paragon path feature?

 

[Flipguarder]

because you heal someone and someone else ALSO gets healed. That's what the path feature does. What we are discussing is whether or not ALL allies are affected or one besides the person you heal. Its at least two people receiving healing, otherwise the path feature does nothing.

 

[0-hr]

The "regains hit points as if he or she were adjacent to your spirit companion" indicates that people benefiting from Healing Guides are treated as if they were adjacent to your spirit companion.

So what happens to everyone adjacent to your spirit companion when you use Healing Spirit? One of them regains a posative number of hit points and the rest gain zero hit points.



Either way, a few more words in that power description would be useful...


I'm really new to 4th Ed. Does one option or the other seem more balanced? Since Healing Spirit can be used twice per encounter, I think there is a huge difference in the healing output between the two interpretations. Does a single target seem really weak for a path power? On the other hand, does letting potentially EVERYONE get that secondary healing seem too good to be true?

 

[Kordeth]

The "regains hit points as if he or she were adjacent to your spirit companion" indicates that people benefiting from Healing Guides are treated as if they were adjacent to your spirit companion.

So what happens to everyone adjacent to your spirit companion when you use Healing Spirit? One of them regains a posative number of hit points and the rest gain zero hit points.

The feature doesn't say "is treated as adjacent to your spirit companion," it specifically says "also regains hit points as if...." It seems pretty clear to me the intent of the power is that any and all characters adjacent to or within conjurations or zones you created with shaman powers get the extra healing.

 

[0-hr]

No opinions on the balance eh? I was hoping that might shed some light on the intent here.