Pathfinder 1E [MERGED] Pathfinder forum complaint threads

[StreamOfTheSky]

Let's try "Ghetto" instead of slum. It's so much more ... high class.

Not really.

Oh yes. We definitely need a separate forum for the "which is the best defender" and the "new subscription-only preview is up" threads.

I can sort of understand general threads for new previews and products (though I don't see why it can't go in rules), but stuff like "best defender" I don't get at all. What the hell is general about threads liek that, where you're purely evaluating one edition's rules? I don't feel like going and finding every recent general thread that should be in 4E rules, but anyone that goes there often must recognize that far too many things get posted in general that should be in 4E rules...and stay there. I find that really annoying.

And I don't think we need a "4E general" forum, nor that 4E needs to be the top forum link. Back when 3E was the newest edition, no one seemed to care that general and all those other forums listed above rules were on top, and none were restricted only to 3E.

 

[freyar]

Once again, I'd like to say I think this has been handled pretty well by the mods and Morrus, and their responses have been very reasonable.

Now, a procedural question. Suppose a new thread in General RPG Discussion really belongs in a rules forum (for any edition, though I see one right now for 4e). How do we request that it be moved? Do we use the report post feature, which is supposed to be used "ONLY" for spam and rude, etc, posts? (The quote is from the report feature instructions.)

 

[Holy Bovine]

I guess I'm sorry if this new Pathfinder Forum bugs some folks ... but it certainly doesn't bug me.

If it's a Ghetto, I find myself unafraid to enter and feel at home.

For me, it's just a convenient place to find information ... and discuss ... another version of a game I love. And have loved since about 1974.

I imagine it's also a convenience for people who only want to discuss 4E (I think I've read a few Posts about that recently). This way, they won't have to scroll past Threads they just don't care about.

I'm assuming nobody minds if I shuffle out everyone once in awhile to stay in touch with all the other interesting versions of D&D (I'm a generalist at heart).

Maybe folks have become just a little too sensitive? Why not try it and see where it goes?

You, sir, have my vote. I don't know what you're running for but you have my vote!

 

[nerfherder]

I may decide to ... employ my dog as a moderator

If this were a democracy, I'd vote for this option.

 

[William Ronald]

I guess I'm sorry if this new Pathfinder Forum bugs some folks ... but it certainly doesn't bug me.

If it's a Ghetto, I find myself unafraid to enter and feel at home.

For me, it's just a convenient place to find information ... and discuss ... another version of a game I love. And have loved since about 1974.

I imagine it's also a convenience for people who only want to discuss 4E (I think I've read a few Posts about that recently). This way, they won't have to scroll past Threads they just don't care about.

I'm assuming nobody minds if I shuffle out everyone once in awhile to stay in touch with all the other interesting versions of D&D (I'm a generalist at heart).

Maybe folks have become just a little too sensitive? Why not try it and see where it goes?

I concur, as I find the Pathfinder forum a useful place to learn about a new game.

Currently, I am an inactive gamer and hopefully soon will have the time to start threads asking people to sell me on one game or another. In the mean time, I can at least check the Pathfinder forum to find out more about that game.

So, thanks to the mods and Morrus for a civil discussion. We will see how the new forum works out.

 

[Admiral Caine]

I started the appreciation thread in the Pathfinder Forums, without knowing about this Meta Forum. While no one has questioned it, my appreciation was completely sincere. That is, it wasn't a statement being made to counter the hard feelings of others.

Speaking strictly for myself, I'm not a regular EnWorld person. It's a fine board but I haven't always enjoyed it. Please don't take that as a criticism, which could be as much about me as it is EnWorld.

Having said that, with the creation of a Pathfinder Forum, I'm starting to stop by EnWorld regularly... and basically enjoying what the board has to offer. I've read the General Forums, and I purchased a 4E product (!) from the EnWorld store. Similarly, when I read the posts in that appreciation thread I started, I hear that sentiment being echoed by others. That is, "I am or may start coming to EnWorld more often now."

I can't speak for those other posters, but it feels safe to come to EnWorld and talk about Pathfinder now. Don't misunderstand me, I'm interested in critique and less than positive comments about the system. However, there is a world of difference between a critique of the game made by someone who is genuinely interested and and invested in it, and a critique made by someone who has rejected it regardless.

The Edition Wars sucked. I think we can all agree on that; and you can argue that we all won, or we all lost. In either case, we all lick our wounds the best way we can. I don't quite understand these comments that people are irritated, puzzled, confused. It sounds as if something has been taken away from you and your community. In that respect, I can relate to the irritation. My counter to that is what you might be seeing is something that was lost entirely to your community starting to come back at last.

Or, I could be wrong. I don't know. But I know it's true for me.

Finally, the status quo doesn't have to remain the way it is right now. Given time, maybe Morrus should fold all of the Pathfinder threads back into your General forum. In the meantime, this could be a subtle way to show that the Edition Wars are over.. and let the grass grow back on the proverbial earth that got scorched. This might be a good way to begin.

 

[El Mahdi]

You guys might want to -politely - share your opnion with those in Meta who think this is the most disastrous event since the fall of the Roman Empire!

All Hail Morrus! ... The Empire is Fallen! ... Long Live the Republic!

 

[humble minion]

For what it's worth, I also don't see the need for a 'everything Pathfinder' forum at this point in time. The General forum should be ... general enough to cope with the PF traffic I reckon, and i also don't want to see PF get ghettoised. A PF rules forum, maybe - if PF ends up gaining enough popularity and posting to warrant one - but the current situation just seems odd and unnecessary.

I'm sure time will tell on this one, but it's a 'no' vote from me.

 

[CapnZapp]

and i also don't want to see PF get ghettoised.

Strange. Is it only me who's envious?

I would love for 4E to get a "ghetto" of its own, as I then didn't have to sift through all the 3E threads.

Of course, that is perhaps easy for me to say secure in the knowledge any such forum would not be the ghetto - instead the "everything else" forum would.

What I mean to say is that having a separate PF forum does not make one iota of sense.

What we need is instead a separate forum for the non-4E threads. Separating PF from other 3E threads don't make sense to me, I guess, although honestly, if we were to get a 4E-centric main forum, I wouldn't have to care...

Thus, my suggestion is this:

General RPG Discussion - Discussion of general issues of D&D 4th Edition. For rules and house rules, see specific forums in the "D&D 4th Edition Discussion" category below.
Other RPG Discussion - Feel free to discuss OD&D, AD&D, 3E, Pathfinder, or any other RPG here!

 

[StreamOfTheSky]

Strange. Is it only me who's envious?

I would love for 4E to get a "ghetto" of its own, as I then didn't have to sift through all the 3E threads.

4E already has two. 4E rules and 4E houserules. PF simply has them both in one forum instead of 2.

The General forum is for 3E, 4E, PF, and everything else. If you want every edition to have its own general forum, that's one thing. I think that'd be way too messy with all those forums and unnecessary. But the current general forum does not belong to 4E and was never intended to, just as it never belonged to 3E years prior.


At least I hope the rule isn't "all things pathfinder have to go in the one forum." That WOULD be unfair.