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[Elephant]

Um... As a veteran of several boards which have closed, let me assure you that the board and the community are tied pretty closely together. You can't have one without the other. You might think, "Well, the community can just move to this other site," but it really doesn't work that way.

If you value the community, I'd recommend valuing the site as well.

-O

Like I said, I value the community, but I take exception to the management here. Some things are done well (Granny rules, fostering a very active D&D community), others ... not so much (instances of bad moderation, spam tactics for newsletters, censorship).

Also - as I've already mentioned, I do happen to be a paying customer of EN Publishing, having purchased numerous PDFs. Please keep that in mind before telling me that I need to leave the site, or that I ought to be banned, or that I'm a leech or a "net loss" to the site. You may claim that I haven't done enough to "support" the site, but to claim that I've contributed nothing is utterly without merit.

Besides - setting $$$ aside, I've posted some 800 times on this site over the past five years. Now, sure, some of what I've posted has been an utter waste of time (the half-dozen posts in the "spamletter" thread come to mind, given that Morrus won't change his future behavior as a result of those complaints), but I challenge anyone to show that all 800 posts failed to contribute anything positive to the community.

I submit that my (unpopular) thoughts in THIS thread are among the most valuable; they give Morrus a glimpse into the mindset of those who are most alienated by some of his management decisions.

Figure out a way to alleviate some of those concerns, and you'll figure out how to attract another group of CS accounts.

Well, I can't fix it, so I've turned them off completely.

Wow. I seldom see eye-to-eye with you, but on this point, you've earned some respect. A few more changes like that and I might find myself rethinking my "grr Morrus!" position

 

[Obryn]

Also - as I've already mentioned, I do happen to be a paying customer of EN Publishing, having purchased numerous PDFs. Please keep that in mind before telling me that I need to leave the site, or that I ought to be banned, or that I'm a leech or a "net loss" to the site.

I didn't actually say anything of the sort, but okay.

Besides - setting $$$ aside, I've posted some 800 times on this site over the past five years.

The thing is, as I mentioned above, everyone supports the site by posting. Without posting, there's no site. But it's a bare minimal baseline, IMO - if everyone who posts said, "Well, I post, so there's my contribution!" why would anyone contribute financially? What makes your posts a more valuable contribution than anyone else's?

Frankly, I doubt that the contribution of your inestimable wisdom to the site is your primary reason for posting. By financially contributing, you enable yourself to post more.

-O

 

[Sparky]

I've always been fine with the ads, when I've paid and when I've not paid. The in-thread ones were confusing and off-putting, but I was getting used to them when they went off. I've actually been known to actually click through on an ad from time to time.

What kind of new members do you need, Morrus? New accounts? CSAs? Visitors that spend time here?

Also, does clicking through help in any way? Because, heck, I could click through on an ad a couple times a day. Sorta artificial, but I'd do it.

 

[weem]

Also, does clicking through help in any way? Because, heck, I could click through on an ad a couple times a day. Sorta artificial, but I'd do it.

Asking people to click your Google ads can get your Google Adsense account banned, so you will not see a request for that I'm sure - but clicking them (when you really want to check out the site on the other side) is indeed good for the (any) site displaying Google ads (though with people cutting advertising spending, the value of those clicks is down overall for the most part right now).

In my experience running (a few) RPG related sites, the value of a click on ads related to the (table top) RPG industry don't get you much (1 to 10 cents a click on average). This industry does not have a ton of money for advertising, so they don't bid much for ad placement (regarding Google ads). Compare that to the pharmaceutical companies who have a LOT of money and are highly competitive... I have a game addiction site that does not get a lot of ad clicks, but when it did they were worth 50 cents on average - I had some days where it was $2-$3 a click! But even those numbers have come down a lot in the last year (I wonder why)

Anyway, sorry for the side-track - but I pretty regularly click the ads (especially for RPG related sites) when I am interested - or when I know I want to go to that site anyway, I will use it as a quick link there

 

[darjr]

I've went back and turned on adds. I have clicked through and will again.

Especially that darn soda add!

 

[Holy Bovine]

I've went back and turned on adds. I have clicked through and will again.

Especially that darn soda add!

If it wasn't $100+ to ship a few cases to Canada I would already be enjoying the sugary goodness.

 

[Theroc]

This may be a weird question, but it's one of the only ways I can contribute. Does frequently refreshing the pages and viewing other pages increase revenue through the ads?

I tend to have about 10 enworld tabs up at once, for the various play by post stuff I do around here, and one for general browsing. Does it help when I refresh those every 10-20 minutes?

And yes, I realize I have far too much time on my hands at the moment, which is part of why this method is one of the only ways I can contribute aside from activity. Curse the job market!

 

[PaulofCthulhu]

All the "Visit our Sponsors" blocks on the page are actually untrue when you look at them. They're only true when they're clicked on. However Google's rules say you can't tell people to click on links - otherwise they close your account and confiscate outstanding money accrued. Which is understandable.

As of writing, EN World needs 810 additional subscribers by 25th December or it closes. That's a mean average of just over 11 new subscribers a day required.

 

[Morrus]

All the "Visit our Sponsors" blocks on the page are actually untrue when you look at them. They're only true when they're clicked on. However Google's rules say you can't tell people to click on links - otherwise they close your account and confiscate outstanding money accrued. Which is understandable.

As of writing, EN World needs 810 additional subscribers by 25th December or it closes. That's a mean average of just over 11 new subscribers a day required.

We have an average of 10 per day so far - so we're *roughly* on target as long as it continues.

 

[Theroc]

So, in order to support Enworld via the ads, I actually need to click on them?