Orcus of Necromancer Games says "You were right, I was wrong"

[Hunter In Darkness]

One of our later 3e parties had a favored soul and a warmage, so wouldn't have had those spells.

And even if you had a cleric, they likely didn't have Air Walk or Summon Monster prepared so that would require stopping for a day.

One thing to keep in mind 3PP could not use non core or open classes, so most stuff they made did not really take into account non core classes. For the most part

 

[JoeGKushner]

The one thing that seems to be off to me, is that Necromancer and Paizo are supposed to have a partnership.

Yet these aren't Pathfinder products.

Pathfinder, by many measures, seems to be doing well.

With a 'partnership. why wouldn't Necromancer have had access to the game system before it hit and use the benefit of the Pathfinder logo to snag extra noticibility and sell through the Paizo website as well?

Seems more along the lines of we've sat on this and we're not doing anything with it and were charging a premium for it. Note the page counts are impressive but in the PDF medium, I'm left wondering why it wasn't cut down to more managable slots and sold for smaller amounts and come back again with... we've sat on this and we're not doing anything with it and we have to charge a premium to make up the lost revenues from not printing it.

 

[BryonD]

The one thing that seems to be off to me, is that Necromancer and Paizo are supposed to have a partnership.

Yet these aren't Pathfinder products.

Pathfinder, by many measures, seems to be doing well.

With a 'partnership. why wouldn't Necromancer have had access to the game system before it hit and use the benefit of the Pathfinder logo to snag extra noticibility and sell through the Paizo website as well?

Seems more along the lines of we've sat on this and we're not doing anything with it and were charging a premium for it. Note the page counts are impressive but in the PDF medium, I'm left wondering why it wasn't cut down to more managable slots and sold for smaller amounts and come back again with... we've sat on this and we're not doing anything with it and we have to charge a premium to make up the lost revenues from not printing it.

If it has been "in the bag" for over a year, then there would not really have been a game to have access to during the development phase. Enough stuff changed just between the beta and final that straight 3E is no further off.

And besides, I really don't think there is value in converting 3E to PF. It is just to easy to do on the fly.

 

[AllisterH]

A cleric could use air walk (Clr4), druids could use air walk (drd4) or wildshape, a sorcerer or wizard could use spider climb (wiz2), flight (wiz3), levitate (wiz2), dimension door (wiz4), teleport (wiz5), overland flight (wiz5), polymorph (wiz4), or alter self (wiz2). Oh, and clerics, sorcerers and wizards could all summon a celestial griffon (SM V) while druids can summon a regular griffon (SNA V). That doesn't even begin to touch the potential of magical items!

So if your party lacks a cleric, druid, wizard or sorcerer, then yes it does screw over your party. However, if you lack a major caster in 3e, you have bigger problems to worry about!

Keep in mind I did state, this screws over a sorceror/cleric party.

Clerics generally IME don't memorize Air Walk and for many a sorceror, FLY is not one of their known spells.

I consider FLY a sure thing only by level 13. Level 9 is certainly too low IME to expect actual flight. (AS ana side, I'm pretty sure those other things like Spider Climb and levitate are open to 4e wizards as well)

 

[JoeGKushner]

If it has been "in the bag" for over a year, then there would not really have been a game to have access to during the development phase. Enough stuff changed just between the beta and final that straight 3E is no further off.

And besides, I really don't think there is value in converting 3E to PF. It is just to easy to do on the fly.

And once again, I have to ask, as Pathfinder has been in development for a while, what did the partnership net either group? If Necromancer didn't have access to the material...

And for the latter, that assumes the Pathfinder brand has no value. As several third party publishers seem to indicate, it does. Heck, Paizo doesn't even appear to be SELLING their partner's PDF's. Looking at the list of companies, there is no Necromancer Games. Even when you look under White Wolf, no Necromancer Games.

If it was me, selling a 'dead game', I'd want to get the 'hot' of Pathfinder and make sure to be selling through my partner's site using the popular Pathfinder branding.

But as I noted, this seems more a fire and recoup some money thing.

 

[keterys]

Tangent: Are new pathfinder products selling hotter than new 3e products?

Or are people mostly treating them as largely interchangeable?

 

[BryonD]

I think that if you wanted to actually put the PF logo on it, then you would be obligated to go through and replace with PF stats. (redo skills, replace grapples with CMB, re-do sorcerers, etc etc...)

As I said, easy enough to do on the fly, but quite a pain to go through and clean up in 500,000 words of material. I can't imagine it being worth the effort.

So I agree they are letting it go "as-is" and getting what they can.

 

[AllisterH]

Tangent: Are new pathfinder products selling hotter than new 3e products?

Or are people mostly treating them as largely interchangeable?

This may sound silly, but _IS_ there any 3.x product being released anywhere?

 

[BryonD]

Tangent: Are new pathfinder products selling hotter than new 3e products?

Or are people mostly treating them as largely interchangeable?

If you mean are Paizo PF products selling better than 3PP 3E stuff, I'd readily wager that the answer is yes, by a long way.
If you mean non-paizo PF vs 3PP 3E, I don't know.

 

[Psion]

This may sound silly, but _IS_ there any 3.x product being released anywhere?

I await my Savage Coast with bated breath.

Dark Vistas

0one games was putting out their Great City adventure stuff. There's a few other things.