Rapid Shot feat for warlock?

[drvavylis]

Hello guys.
I recently started playing a warlock. In complete arcane writes that Point Blank Shot is obtainable for spell-like abilities. Is it possible for the feat Rapid Shot to be applied at Eldritch Blast as well? It coud be realy awesome!
Thanks

 

[CAFargo]

I would say that anything that can be applied to spell-like abilities could be applied to a warlock's invocations, but I don't even think that I would allow this feat to be applied to a spell-like ability (maybe a different feat, with the same affect but for spells and invocations...).

Well, really you should check with your DM before you do anything, and don't act like your trying to get 1-up on him AT ALL! I dm, and I've shot down a few ideas just because the player seems to be trying to pull a wool over my eyes. I tend to "reconsider" later, after the players have thought about it for a while (try again if your dm says no, but don't badger him).

 

[GreyVulpine]

Eldritch Blasts are a spell-like ability that require a ranged touch attack. Therefore, it's a standard action to use, and you don't get iterative attacks with it. So, Rapid shot is useless for the Warlock

 

[CAFargo]

Eldritch Blasts are a spell-like ability that require a ranged touch attack. Therefore, it's a standard action to use, and you don't get iterative attacks with it. So, Rapid shot is useless for the Warlock

That's too bad...still, I might talk to your DM about a feat that gives you an extra use of an invocation, as if it were the rapid-shot feat, but with tougher prerequisites. Try this below:

Rapid Shot Invoker [General]
You are trained to be able to fire off more invocations in combat.
Prerequisites: Dex 18, Point-Blank Shot, Rapid-Shot, Cleave, Greatcleave
Effect: Whenever you hit an opponent with a warlock's invocation that does not duplicate the effect of a spell, you can fire an eldritch blast (the generic attack) at them as well, but at a -4 penalty to your attack.

This should be powerful enough to shoot for, but weak enough to not unbalance the game.

 

[drvavylis]

@ Greyvulpin
W8 a sec. range touch attack is still a range attack? otherwise why does the starting package of warlock propose this feat to obtain? Lets pretend that the Rapid Shot is obtainable by the warlock. To use it i have to do full attack. So even if eldritch blast is a standard action it doesnt matter. Where am i wrong?
Thanx

 

[aboyd]

W8 a sec. range touch attack is still a range attack? otherwise why does the starting package of warlock propose this feat to obtain?

drvavylis, my book has "Point Blank Shot" for the starting package feat. Where do you see "Rapid Shot" as part of a starting package? Can you give me a page number (and book name, in case you're looking at something other than Complete Arcane)?

Lets pretend that the Rapid Shot is obtainable by the warlock. To use it i have to do full attack. So even if eldritch blast is a standard action it doesnt matter. Where am i wrong?

You can't do two standard actions in a round.

Spells and spell-like abilities are not powered by your BAB's full attack feature, and thus cannot be compressed into a full attack (the full attack relies on what a BAB allows, and the BAB only works for weapons). Page 139 of the PHB says that full attacks allow you to make "multiple melee or ranged attacks." It then goes on to define melee attacks as using "a normal melee weapon" and ranged attacks as using "a ranged weapon." No mention of spells or spell-like abilities, nor supernatural abilities either.

 

[GreyVulpine]

@ Greyvulpin
W8 a sec. range touch attack is still a range attack? otherwise why does the starting package of warlock propose this feat to obtain? Lets pretend that the Rapid Shot is obtainable by the warlock. To use it i have to do full attack. So even if eldritch blast is a standard action it doesnt matter. Where am i wrong?
Thanx

Yes, the Eldritch Blast is treated in all respects as a ranged attack, uses a ranged touch attack to target enemies, but is a spell-like ability which uses a standard action to 'cast'. The Complete Arcane's human starting package recommends Toughness and Point Blank Shot for feats, I don't see Rapid Shot in there.

An Archer (bow) has basically two methods of attack. He can use a standard action to shoot one arrow at his highest Base Attack Bonus, or if he has multiple attacks due to his BAB, he can use a Full Round Action to loose multiple arrows at target(s). The Warlock's Eldritch Blast doesn't have that ability, he can only use a Standard Action to 'cast' the Blast. You don't get multiple standard actions in a single round.

Edit: Ninja'd

 

[StreamOfTheSky]

Later on, there is Quicken Spell-like ability, to get 2 per round a few times per day.

 

[drvavylis]

The starting package of warlock propose Point Blank Shot for warlock. Complete Arcane states tha Points Blank Shot works with range spells who do hit point damage. I assume that includes warlock's Eldritch Blast. Am i wrong?
Rapid Shot grants an additional range attack. So, if i used a bow for example, i do a full attack and with the above feats i do 2 attacks with my bow. Correct? the first attack with the bow is a standard action. The second attack makes the full attack action. If i am at this far correct, why cant i use Rapid Shot with Eldritch Blast? What do i miss?

 

[Runestar]

Let's put it this way.

A warlock using his eldritch blast is a standard action, much like a wizard casting a spell.

A wizard with bab16+ would not be able to cast 4 spells each round as a full-round action.

In the same vein, a warlock would not be able to fire off multiple blasts from a high bab (ie: he would not get 3 EBs with a bab of 11).

Therefore, rapid shot would have no benefit either.