The Most Underpowered Class?

[keterys]

From Martial Power:

Ankle Cutter

Heroic Tier
Prerequisite: Halfling, rogue, Sneak Attack class feature
Benefit: When you hit a Large or larger enemy and would deal Sneak Attack damage against that target, you can forgo rolling Sneak Attack damage and instead cause the target to be slowed until the end of your next turn. Using this option counts as using Sneak Attack for the round.

Currently beguiling curse does not have that last line which is necessary to make it once per round.

The presence of text does not imply a general ruling. It is entirely possible, for instance, that if you removed your bolded line that Ankle Cutter would continue to work exactly the same way. It would just potentially be less clear.

For example, the avenger article gives avengers an opportunity attack when an enemy moves adjacent and explicitly says it doesn't apply when forced movement or teleporting, but the general rules for forced movement and teleport _already prevent opportunity actions_. The Storm Shield does lightning and thunder damage when someone hits it, and notes only those with resistance to both resist that, even though that also is the general rule. Etc.

 

[rayous]

and the general rule for curse is you can only deal the bonus damage once a turn, not that you cant curse. Its just that using curse for no extra damage doesnt do anything. And the reason they need the clarifying sentence is your not dealing the bonus damage.

Curse does not say "once per turn when you attack you can choose to deal extra damage". It says "f you hit a cursed enemy with an attack, you deal extra damage. You decide whether to apply the extra damage after making the damage roll. You can deal this extra damage once per round, so if you have dealt Warlock’s Curse damage since the start of your turn, you cannot deal it again until the start of your next turn."

So each person cursed that you hit triggers your warlock curse, you then have to say i forgo damage till you get to the one you do want to deal extra curse damage to. Beguiling curse currently allows you to say i forgo damage, but lets have that guy hit his friend anyway.

Im pretty sure they will fix it in the compiled version.

 

[keterys]

Definitely agree that it is better to write it in such a way that people do not attempt to misuse it, regardless of any other logical correctness.

 

[Felon]

It's okay. The article is out and there wasn't much to show. There is a feat that lets you teleport monsters instead of doing your curse damage, but everything else was fairly lackluster.

The conversation can go on. I was right. Nothing has changed.

Honestly, as much I would love to see the warlock fixed, I really would prefer not to see major changes to the playing field come out of little Dragon Mag articles (q.v. Sacrifice to Caphion).

 

[rayous]

Honestly i want it fixed because i have people still arguing that Orbmaster's Incendiary Detonation allows them to use the orb of imposition feature as they cast it to do a burst 3 enemies only 1d6+int +prone.

 

[renau1g]

Honestly, as much I would love to see the warlock fixed, I really would prefer not to see major changes to the playing field come out of little Dragon Mag articles (q.v. Sacrifice to Caphion).

Maybe AP 2? PHB3 likely will focus mostly on the new classes.

 

[Eric888]

Maybe AP 2? PHB3 likely will focus mostly on the new classes.

I don't know, PH2 fixed how awful half-elves were even though half-elves were a PH1 race. When there is a balance problem they usually try to fix it in a core book so it reaches the casuals who don't go online. It is reasonable to hope that PH3 will try to fix warlocks.

 

[renau1g]

I don't know, PH2 fixed how awful half-elves were even though half-elves were a PH1 race. When there is a balance problem they usually try to fix it in a core book so it reaches the casuals who don't go online. It is reasonable to hope that PH3 will try to fix warlocks.

Like all the errata they just released

 

[Ryujin]

Like all the errata they just released

... that likely resulted in 20% of players doing character rewrites

 

[Turtlejay]

I don't know, PH2 fixed how awful half-elves were even though half-elves were a PH1 race. When there is a balance problem they usually try to fix it in a core book so it reaches the casuals who don't go online. It is reasonable to hope that PH3 will try to fix warlocks.

Firstly, Half Elves were not awful pre PHB2.

Secondly, PHB2 introduced Racial Paragon Paths, but Half Elves did not get one. Instead, they got a rad feat.

Jay