Impelling Force

[Marauder_POV]

OK so I've been using this power much like "force push", that the target is pushed in a direction. I'm not sure if i'm using it right.

Basically can you throw people/creaures off ledges with it?

It says "slide target 5 spaces to an adjacent ally" what if the target is not 5 spaces from an ally?

 

[Aulirophile]

OK so I've been using this power much like "force push", that the target is pushed in a direction. I'm not sure if i'm using it right.

Basically can you throw people/creaures off ledges with it?

It says "slide target 5 spaces to an adjacent ally" what if the target is not 5 spaces from an ally?

Then the slide doesn't happen. The damage still will, on a hit, but it the enemy cannot end adjacent to an ally, then the slide never happens.

Which would make using it when all your allies are more then 5 squares away from the enemy in question kind of pointless.

 

[Katana_Geldar]

Is it too hard to work with someone else at the table, tell them that you have this ability so they can set themselves up to intercept it when it happens?

I used it recently in L4E here. Firete used Impelling Force to move Kumori towards Brenwar, who couldn't move. If you count the squares right, the slide works.

This is why I love playing Bards, particularly with my favourite At-Will Cutting Words to give casters and strikers a breather when they need to attack without triggering AoO.

 

[Kingreaper]

OK so I've been using this power much like "force push", that the target is pushed in a direction. I'm not sure if i'm using it right.

Basically can you throw people/creaures off ledges with it?

It says "slide target 5 spaces to an adjacent ally" what if the target is not 5 spaces from an ally?

The actual text,

you slide the target 5 squares to a space adjacent to one of your allies.

And a couple of comments:

It's not a push, it's a slide, so they can be moved towards you, away from you, or any other direction.

You can throw them off a ledge if your ally is on the ledge. The slide must end adjacent to an ally, they can then proceed to fall from there. They get a saving throw to fall prone at the edge as usual.

You can always slide less than 5 squares, but if 5 squares isn't enough to get them adjacent to an ally, you can't slide them at all.

 

[Marauder_POV]

but how does the bard do this?

is it a magical force that impells them?(like a telekinetic push)

or is it like a jedi mind trick compelling them to wlak somewhere?

also if you slide them past allys do they provoke OAs?

 

[Katana_Geldar]

but how does the bard do this?

It's an implement power and a good assist for other members of the party.

is it a magical force that impells them?(like a telekinetic push)
or is it like a jedi mind trick compelling them to wlak somewhere?

It is not a push (which always goes back) but a slide in any direction as long as it ends adjacent to an ally. And you actually physically move them as it targets Fort. Cutting Words could be considered more Jedi Mind Trick style as it targets Will.

also if you slide them past allys do they provoke OAs?

No, forced (excuse the pun) movement never provokes AoOs.

If you want to see it at work, I'll give you a link as my bard used it on her last turn and the DM was kind enough to let the paladin on the recieving end of the Impelling Force revise his turn and take advantage of it.

 

[Markn]

Forced movement (slide, pull and push) do not provoke oportunity attacks.

Also, it doesn't matter how the bard does it. Mechanically it makes no difference and because of that its up to the player and/or the DM to decide upon. Fluff is fluff and has no impact on mechanics of the game. Once you get over this assumption, 4e will go much more smoothly for you.l

 

[OSEZNO]

but how does the bard do this?

is it a magical force that impells them?(like a telekinetic push)

or is it like a jedi mind trick compelling them to wlak somewhere?

A bolt of force shoves your foe next to one of your allies. It's keywords are arcane, implement, and force. So yes, I'm assuming it's force arcana that the Bard channels through his implement. Much like a force push.

(edit: as Mark says, though, it's all flavor - really you can describe it however you want that your DM allows so long as you realize the effects are the same)

also if you slide them past allys do they provoke OAs?

No, forced movement does not provoke attacks of opportunity.

 

[Stalker0]

but how does the bard do this?

I see it as creating a string of force between the ally and the target which then moves the target to the ally.

 

[Marauder_POV]

A bolt of force? This is where it is confusing from a fluff perspective. I have been house ruling that they can be slid in any direction, indpendant of the "adjacent to an ally" thing as i can't see the conection to the other player.

If you are hitting them with a bolt of force, like a gust of wind, it shouldn't be unable to work if they don't end next to the dwarf. force is force.

Now if you were compelling them to slide next to an ally, then i could understand that, but as someone said before that should be a will save.