Converting Epic Level Creatures
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Cleon
Legend
We gave tiger a ghost touch weapon so I thought we'd better give Ox one too, so he can hurt those pesky incorporeal foes. He probably is an undead hunter, since they're the sort of unnatural perils Ox is likely to be unleashed upon.
However, if it really bothers you we might swap if for shock.
Let's see what freyar thinks (provided he agrees with me
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freyar
Extradimensional Explorer
Tough call! I like making a parallel weapon quality for tiger and ox, but maybe shock is nice for variety. I say let's go for shock. I see nothing in the original text that says ox is particularly likely to face undead, and he could always cast etherealness to deal with ethereal incorporeals like ghosts, right?
Shall we work on the earthquake next? He's tough enough that just simulating a regular earthquake spell wouldn't be too much. Heck, it might even be too little!
Shall we work on the earthquake next? He's tough enough that just simulating a regular earthquake spell wouldn't be too much. Heck, it might even be too little!
Shade
Monster Junkie
Woo-hoo, shock for the win! 
If you want to keep 'em parallel, we can give tiger shock instead of ghost touch as well.
Updated. I'm not sure where the 19-20 threat range came from in your sample, but we can give him Improved Critical (mace) as one of his feats.
Tough call on the earthquake. On the one hand, we've got the stomp ability of the goristro...
Stamp (Su): Up to three times per day, a goristro can produce a shock wave that sends its foes careening off-balance by stamping on the ground as a standard action. The shock wave lasts for 1 round and duplicates the effects of an earthquake spell in an 80-foot radius around the goristro. The goristro and others of its kind are unaffected by the earthquake.
...on the other hand, we could borrow something more epic...
Shockwave (Ex): As a standard action, an earth giant can stomp the earth with one of its massive feet. This causes a severe localized earth tremor, affecting all creatures standing on the ground within 100 feet of the giant. Creatures in this region must succeed on a DC 50 Reflex save or fall prone. Structures in this area suffer 4d12+22 points of damage, and this attack ignores hardness. The save DC is Strength-based.
If you want to keep 'em parallel, we can give tiger shock instead of ghost touch as well.
Updated. I'm not sure where the 19-20 threat range came from in your sample, but we can give him Improved Critical (mace) as one of his feats.
Tough call on the earthquake. On the one hand, we've got the stomp ability of the goristro...
Stamp (Su): Up to three times per day, a goristro can produce a shock wave that sends its foes careening off-balance by stamping on the ground as a standard action. The shock wave lasts for 1 round and duplicates the effects of an earthquake spell in an 80-foot radius around the goristro. The goristro and others of its kind are unaffected by the earthquake.
...on the other hand, we could borrow something more epic...
Shockwave (Ex): As a standard action, an earth giant can stomp the earth with one of its massive feet. This causes a severe localized earth tremor, affecting all creatures standing on the ground within 100 feet of the giant. Creatures in this region must succeed on a DC 50 Reflex save or fall prone. Structures in this area suffer 4d12+22 points of damage, and this attack ignores hardness. The save DC is Strength-based.
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Cleon
Legend
Woo-hoo, shock for the win!
If you want to keep 'em parallel, we can give tiger shock instead of ghost touch as well.
Updated. I'm not sure where the 19-20 threat range came from in your sample, but we can give him Improved Critical (mace) as one of his feats.
Tough call on the earthquake. On the one hand, we've got the stomp ability of the goristro...
Stamp (Su): Up to three times per day, a goristro can produce a shock wave that sends its foes careening off-balance by stamping on the ground as a standard action. The shock wave lasts for 1 round and duplicates the effects of an earthquake spell in an 80-foot radius around the goristro. The goristro and others of its kind are unaffected by the earthquake.
...on the other hand, we could borrow something more epic...
Shockwave (Ex): As a standard action, an earth giant can stomp the earth with one of its massive feet. This causes a severe localized earth tremor, affecting all creatures standing on the ground within 100 feet of the giant. Creatures in this region must succeed on a DC 50 Reflex save or fall prone. Structures in this area suffer 4d12+22 points of damage, and this attack ignores hardness. The save DC is Strength-based.
I'd go for shockwave...
...and a double helping of ghost touch.
Shade
Monster Junkie
Updated.
Suggested base gore damage?
Our target AC is probably going to be in the 51-55 rarnge. A rhino has +4 greater natural armor than a tiger. General Tiger has +8 natural. So let's say +12 natural. That puts us at AC 44 ((-1 size, +7 Dex, +12 natural, +9 deflection, +7 +5 heavy adamantine shield of exceptional arrow deflection), leaving up to +11 for armor bonus (assuming max Dex bonus allowed). What type of armor do you fancy for him?
Suggested base gore damage?
Our target AC is probably going to be in the 51-55 rarnge. A rhino has +4 greater natural armor than a tiger. General Tiger has +8 natural. So let's say +12 natural. That puts us at AC 44 ((-1 size, +7 Dex, +12 natural, +9 deflection, +7 +5 heavy adamantine shield of exceptional arrow deflection), leaving up to +11 for armor bonus (assuming max Dex bonus allowed). What type of armor do you fancy for him?
Cleon
Legend
I've already given proposals to answer both those questions.
We might be able to tweak the armour to improve the allowable Dex bonus.
Shade
Monster Junkie
Ahh...I found your post upthread that addressed those issues.
I like the proposed armor, but not the ghost touch again. Why the perceived focus on fighting incorporeal foes?
We could make it mithral, rather than adamantine, to improve the Dex bonus to +3. We could boost the enhancement bonus to +5, to offset most of the lost remainder.
I like the proposed armor, but not the ghost touch again. Why the perceived focus on fighting incorporeal foes?
We could make it mithral, rather than adamantine, to improve the Dex bonus to +3. We could boost the enhancement bonus to +5, to offset most of the lost remainder.
Cleon
Legend
Ahh...I found your post upthread that addressed those issues.
I like the proposed armor, but not the ghost touch again. Why the perceived focus on fighting incorporeal foes?
Because they're the Ghostbusting Generals!
I was trying to keep it a non-epic suit of armour so it doesn't cost that much, but if you don't mind the extra treasure value feel free to make it +5 mithral heavy fortification full plate.
Although I still like the ghost touch.
Shade
Monster Junkie
Because they're the Ghostbusting Generals!
Now I get it...bustin' makes you feel good.
Said General Ox: "I ain't afraid of no ghosts."
+5 mithral heavy fortification full plate appeals.
Updated.
Skills: 14 at 39 ranks (-3 armor check penalty)
Climb, Concentration, Intimidate, Jump, Knowledge (arcana), Knowledge (nobility and royalty), Knowledge (the planes), Listen, Search, Sense Motive, Spellcraft, Spot, Swim, Tumble?
Feats: 13 (6 can be epic) plus 11 fighter bonus feats
Awesome Blow, Greater Weapon Focus (mace), Greater Weapon Specialization (mace), Improved Bull Rush, Improved Critical (mace), Improved Shield Bash, Power Attack, Weapon Focus (mace), Weapon Specialization (mace)...
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