D&D 4E I miss 4E

Mercurius

Legend
OK, I'm being hyperbolic...I hope! But let me explain at length.

Let's start by looking at the release schedule for 4E hardcovers, from the beginning of 2010 to the first few months of 2011:

January - Underdark
February - Martial Power 2
March - Player's Handbook 3
April - The Plane Above
May - Player's Strategy Guide, Dungeon Magazine Annual
June - Monster Manual 3
July - Demonomicon, Tomb of Horrors
August - Dark Sun Campaign Guide, Dark Sun Creature Catalog, Psionic Power
September - None
October - None
November - None
December - None
January - None
February - None
March - None
April - Mordenkainen's Magnificient Emporium

That's twelve hardcovers in the first eight months of 2010, then none in the following seven months until April of 2011. I know, I know, in that time you've got a slew of Essentials products, including the Red Box, Heroes of the Fallen Lands, Rules Compendium, Heroes of the Forgotten Kingdoms, The DM's Kit, and Monster Vault all within September through November, then in March two products that seem to follow the Essentials format: Class Compendium and Heroes of Shadow. But again, we're talking about an eight month span (mid-August to mid-April) without a new hardcover.

Of even greater concern than the dearth of hardcovers is the fact that most of that material is no more or less than Essentialized 4E. That is, the whole line, for the most part, is just a reprinting, reformatting, and rehashing of older material. Sure, it is updated and errata-ed with a few new bells and whistles, but we're not really seeing anything new, at least not until Heroes of Shadow in March of 2011, afaict.

So again, my thread title: I miss 4E. Or to paraphrase Sting, I want my 4th ED.

I am writing this not only to complain, but more so to express concern. What is this about? It is as if WotC decided that the path they had been traveling from June of 2008 to August of 2010 wasn't working, or was tapped out, so they veered away into a detour that is lasting until at least March of 2011, after which it remains to be seen what direction they will take. D&D may return to the regularly scheduled programming: an average of a bit more than one hardcover per month, plus various odds and ends. Or we could be done with that and be facing an Essentialized future of 4E. Or, more likely, we could be facing some combination of both.

I'm worried. Why did WotC feel this was a good idea? I get it: they want to attract new players and the Red Box may just do that. But a whole line? Why not just the Red Box, the Rules Compendium, and then a revised and updated Player's Handbook? Or maybe even, rather than the two Heroes books, a Player's Handbook 4 with the Essentialized versions of the classic classes that we see in the two Heroes books? In other words, why not try to feed buyers of the Red Box back into the 4E hardcovers? Why create an entirely separate product line?

We can all hope that Essentials is successful in that it will bring new blood into the D&D community; or, as some have said, that it will bring lapsed players, or players of older editions, back into the 4E fold. But if it is too successful, won't WotC be tempted to drop the old hardcover format and go forth with digest books and box sets and little to no hardcovers?

I like hardcovers. I like box sets too, and I like digest books for certain things, like the Rules Compendium. But I dislike Heroes of the Fallen Lands and will not be purchasing the next in the line. I am still thinking about the DM's Kit and Monster Vault. But as a whole I prefer the "classic" 4E hardcover approach to the digest/box set approach, and more so--while I only would buy about half the hardcovers (I would stay away from the Power books, among others)--I miss the opportunity to buy a new book with new material once or twice a month.

One final note. I can honestly say that I'm surprised about the anecdotes we hear in which people say something to the effect of "I hated 4E but loved Essentials." I just don't get it. I mean, Essentials is 4E. The only significant difference is that they rolled back martial characters to their pre-Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon incarnations. I get that some people don't like their tank fighters with daily and encounter powers, but is this one, relatively minor, difference really transform some people from hating 4E to wanting to play it?
 

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mkill

Adventurer
How does the book release schedule affect your ability to gather a group of friends at a dinner table and play a sweet game of <your favorite edition>?
 


RigaMortus2

First Post
Did I say that it did?

Well, you did say you missed 4e. There are plenty of non-essentials 4e stuff out there, I assume you have some of it. So why not use it? Whats to "miss"?

Unless by "miss" what you really mean is "I'm disappointed no new classes/feats/powers will be printed between hard-back bindings in the upcoming months". But that's a lot to get out of the word "miss"...

Miss usually implies something was taken away from you. Did WotC take away your 4e books and replace them with Essentials? If so, I definately see your point! I'd be upset too!
 

vagabundo

Adventurer
Heroes of the Fallen Lands is more 4e than 4e so, therefore, you cannot be missing 4e!!

Seriously, I wasn't going to purchase any of the essentials line and I've gotten all digest books so far, sigh....
 

Nebten

First Post
Anyways, do you actually buy every one of those books?

I am glad that they are putting a hold on D&D books. It was becoming too much rapid printing at one time. I would have rather seen one every other month. Give me enough time to digest the previous one and want me craving some more. Also at this time they are going to focus on releasing the remaining Essential books, Gamma World and there other board game (what ever name it is this month).
 
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Gradine

The Elephant in the Room (she/her)
The thing about the Essentials books is that, even if you avoid "playing Essentials" as it were, each of those books has elements that can be cannibalized into a more "traditional 4e", as if that were phrase that has any meaning in the first.

Also I have trouble understanding how a book filled with monsters can be an Essentials-exclusive product with no value in a non-Essentials campaign. Yeah, I get that it's part of that product line, but so what? Are they planning huge changes to the way monsters work in Essentials that I haven't heard about?
 

Minifig

First Post
Well you could do what I'm going to do:

Write for WoTC.


There's an absolutely over-whelming number of things that are missing for 4e at the moment and as I'm a very rare creature (Wilden), I figured I'd take a stab at trying to write something they could publish, and send it into them. If they publish it .. hey. I have my name in a D&D Dragons mag, or even better.. maybe a book?..

You could try to convert one of your favorite old 3.0 or 3.5 campaigns into 4e .. :)
 

Dice4Hire

First Post
-I miss the opportunity to buy a new book with new material once or twice a month.


I am with you here. Yes, I could cannibalize essentials to some point, but I just do not want to. I could ply essentials characters but I just do not want to. I could keep saying essentials is not 4.5 but I no longer believe so.

Sorry Wotc but I am out of this new direction.

I guess I can look forward to the upcoming dungeon tiles....... Man that is pathetic.
 

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