Tumble problems

[Dandu]

I am not much familiar with Zorro movies, but I hear the remake of Mark of Zorro had actors (Tyrone Power playing Zorro and Basil Rathbone playin Captain Pasquale) who were actual fencers.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VTyPWvyAF8"]YouTube - Mark of Zorro Don Diego de la Vega vs. Captain Pasquale[/ame]

I think you could make a case for tumbling when Zorro is coming out from behind the globe, when the captain rolls away after Zorro thrusts into the book case, and when Zorro leaps off of the... windowsill?

Of course, whether this is heroic-realistic enough is, I suppose, up for debate.

 

[Water Bob]

Right, which is why I gave you the time at which it occurred and a short summary of what to look for as per your request.

And I looked at them and didn't see anything that impressed me as anything other than crazy asian dance stuff.


RE: The crazy Asian dance stuff. Why is it that one guy will take on 21 enemies, but they all wait their turn and fight him one by one?

Why not rush him and drag his butt to the ground where he'll get pulverized?

 

[Dandu]

And I looked at them and didn't see anything that impressed me as anything other than crazy asian dance stuff.

So why is ducking a kick and rolling away crazy Asian dance stuff?

 

[Water Bob]

So why is ducking a kick and rolling away crazy Asian dance stuff?

You're like a broken record. Let's just drop it, OK?

 

[Dandu]

You've been going on like a broken record about how the relatively tame stunts Jackie pulls are still "crazy asian dance stuff" for pages but have yet to explain why. So please, tell us, what makes something crazy asian dance stuff? It's clearly not just being a highly acrobatic maneuver, since that is not what is being discussed, and presumably it's not just because an Asian is performing it, so would you kindly answer the question of what makes a duck and roll unacceptable to you?

 

[Water Bob]

You've been going on like a broken record about how the relatively tame stunts Jackie pulls are still "crazy asian dance stuff" for pages but have yet to explain why. So please, tell us, what makes something crazy asian dance stuff? It's clearly not just being a highly acrobatic maneuver, since that is not what is being discussed, and presumably it's not just because an Asian is performing it, so would you kindly answer the question of what makes a duck and roll unacceptable to you?

It would be like explaining what the sky looked like to a blind man, obviously, given your powers of comprehension if, in deed, you truly can't see.

I think you and I are done with the pendantic questions, at least I am, for a while.

As I said, long, long ago, now. I've found peace with Tumble. The thread has served its purpose.

 

[Dandu]

It would be like explaining what the sky looked like to a blind man, obviously, given your powers of comprehension if, in deed, you truly can't see.

Oh Water Bob... shall I compare thee to a summer's day? Thou art more lovely, and more temperate.

 

[jonesy]

Could everyone please stop using the phrase 'crazy Asian dance stuff'. All I keep thinking about is this and it's messing with my head:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16sfLHXAASU&feature=relmfu]YouTube - [M/V_dance ver.] miss A(????) "Breathe" (???) from [Step Up][/ame]

But the sort of tumbling we are talking about here to avoid attacks of opportunity doesn't come up very often in a fight between two unarmed fighters. The threat of drawing attacks of oppurtunity, and the consequent need to tumble to evade an attack just won't be there...

and

...If it is, and I don't agree that it is, but if it is, then its not an example of using tumble to negate attacks of opportunity.

I like the alternate interpretation you gave for Ali, but I'd like a small clarification.

Do you count something as an attack of opportunity only if the attack actually gets to happen? As in, if someone avoids one, do you assume that the attack actually took place and the person avoiding it evaded it? Instead of avoiding it altogether, as in it never had a chance to happen?

 

[Dandu]

That is an interesting question.

In D&D, when you make an attack against someone, you're not necessarily just making one attack.
Thrusts, parries, and swipes are supposedly occurring all through the combat. You can fluff a hit with a spear by a 5tth level cleric as a single powerful blow, but you can also describe it as a few feints and thrusts, only one of which actually hits.

When you move away from your enemy and provoke an AoO, you are doing do in a manner that leaves you open for an attack. When you are withdrawing or Tumbling away, you are doing so in a manner that leaves you less vulnerable... though there's nothing stopping an enemy from taking a parting shot at you even if he doesn't have a chance of hitting.

Basically, the way I see it with my apparently defective eyesight, is that it is possible for tumbling away and avoiding an AoO to look the same as if you had just moved away and the enemy missed his AoO.

 

[Hassassin]

Basically, the way I see it with my apparently defective eyesight, is that it is possible for tumbling away and avoiding an AoO to look the same as if you had just moved away and the enemy missed his AoO.

This. The mechanics don't mean that a 1st level character only swings once in six seconds, just that the rest don't really have a chance of hitting.