Essentials multiclassing playtest?

[Ryujin]

The Warlock options look interesting. I'll have to spec out a Paragon Infernal Warlock and see how Elricky I can make it. I see some possibilities here. [MENTION=76245]SabreCat[/MENTION] I agree it's a shame that there's no Dark Pact Hexblade yet. I'd much prefer statting a Fey/Dark Dual Pact Warlock, with the Hexblade multi-class feats. Gloom Pact just doesn't feel right, to me.

 

[Zaran]

Yeah, I guess I was misleading. There are ways to tie slayers to weaponmasters but no way to make a hybrid slayer yet. Not quite sure why they skipped over that.

 

[keterys]

Hybrid Slayer will be a tricky one for them to figure, I suspect. Same for all the "I'm barely more than a melee basic" classes.

Got to make sure a hybrid executioner / slayer isn't just a slayer with an extra d8 per tier damage, for example.

 

[Zaran]

Hybrid Slayer will be a tricky one for them to figure, I suspect. Same for all the "I'm barely more than a melee basic" classes.

Got to make sure a hybrid executioner / slayer isn't just a slayer with an extra d8 per tier damage, for example.

Serves them right for making those Totally-Compatible-with-Core classes so incompatible. =)

 

[Mummolus]

Good thought but unfortunately the Attack Finesse lets the Executioner replace Dex for Str on a MBA, so the Pact Blade at-will would still use Cha.

The pact blade at-wills can be used as MBA's though, which to me would imply that Attack Finesse would function as normal for them. It's kinda like how Bracers of Mighty Striking still provide a +2 damage bonus to the pact blade at-wills.

 

[WalterKovacs]

All powers gained by Expert Archer say in the power that it is an RBA with a weapon. So implement powers are out. Quarry and Curse can only be used on Ranger and Warlock powers specifically. A RBA is not a ranger power (though could be a Warlock power with Eldritch blot/blast). Similarly a fighter hybrid cannot mark a target with an MBA.

There is the eternal debate over wording of 'attack with a weapon' vs 'weapon attack' where a warlock firing an eldritch blast through his pact blade is "attacking with a weapon".

I know that RBAs aren't ranger powers, but Clever Shot is a ranger power, that allows you to make a RBA as part of the power, I was only wondering how that concept of "attack power that causes an attack to happen but doesn't involve an attack in and of itself" [Although, even with the 'attack through a weapon' assumption above, only rapid shot would be useful with magic missle, since it never hits, and therefore would be useless with clever shot].

In terms of interesting combinations: A hybrid ranger/executioner with throw and stab. A single at-will power would allow for both striker features to trigger at once (you'd have to build str/dex based, but an executioner doesn't really need charisma ... you'd rather get a good fort if you are going to garotte people anyway.)

The MBA with the Executioner thing is probably a bigger question than stuff involving clever shot (I'm pretty sure your interpretation is right, the power itself allows for an RBA, so the initial 'attack power' never hits or misses and thus doesn't trigger the quarry.) However various 'counts as an MBA' powers, whether conditional or always on, could create a stacking effect with the executioner.

 

[WalterKovacs]

Yeah, I guess I was misleading. There are ways to tie slayers to weaponmasters but no way to make a hybrid slayer yet. Not quite sure why they skipped over that.

They did only do some classes from Forgotten Kingdoms. There is no hybrid hexblade (although you can sort of make one with the feat support), there is no hybrid hunter (again, you can sort of make it with the feat support), not much in the way of hybrid scout. While feat intensive, it's possible to get a domain and/or school into a cleric or wizard hybrid. (In some cases, they may end up updating existing hyrbids instead, so that, for example, you can pick up a school or domain class features via hybrid talent. The MBA classes would be problematic, but a possible solution is:

Give the hybrid classes with MBA based builds an at-will attack power that is basically just a MBA, 'counts' as a MBA, and happens to have the classes name on it, voila. Not the most elegant solution, but avoids problems like double dipping and getting the best of both worlds for striker damage, for example. [Don't give the at-wills power to avoid weird interactions with half-elves, humans, etc].

They still have to do something for Essential classes that don't have dailies ... as you have to give them some choice between taking a daily at this level, or something else from the 'other' class. The assassin poison subs for a daily easily ... they are practically the same thing, but a slayer, theif, etc don't have dailies ... so you have to figure out how to work that out.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Hmmh, why mix str and dex?

the executioner can use str as well as dex for his melee base attacks...

 

[interwyrm]

Hybrid binder is slightly better than full binder because the pact boon works better with a melee class.

Hybrid vampire being better than full vampire is fine because it makes it a viable addition to a party.

Hybrid cavalier aura is fine because the mark punishment is just not that good anyways - especially vs. teleporting enemies.

 

[Dragonhelm]

Cavalier also very similar hybrid to Blackguard. Almost the same in every way (switch defender/strike mechanics). Too bad you cannot hybrid them together.

Why would you want to?

Essentially, you're asking to multiclass two forms of a paladin. These forms are like night and day. Cavaliers gravitate towards good. Blackguards gravitate towards evil. In a sense, it would be like a warlock having two different pacts (i.e. infernal and fey).

I guess I'm having difficulty seeing how a character can represent both a virtue and a vice.