Design the Kwisatz Haderach. Paul Atreides

[Garthanos]

Race is almost an I dont care at the moment which usually means I like the extra feat from humans.. ehehe...

Though deva is certainly has some nice elements. .. his sister who was born full blazing benegeret is another character that might be interesting. (speaking of memories of a thousand life times)

 

[AbdulAlhazred]

There are definitely multiple manifestations of the character the characters might be dramatically different at each tier enough so to call for a rebuild though.

it is implied in story he ought to be a hybrid ie a perfect mixture of mentat and noble and benejeserat to use the game world concepts later in career perhaps only the benejeserat and mentat were important.

The reason for a rogue in this case thief was specifically for the duelist direction which is sort of a noblemans rogue... it lined up with daggers too (Though an avenger is similar and allows perception/wisdom to be the central it doesn have the right style of mobility) where as a thiefs mobility could be flavored rather monk like.

I kind of assumed a thief could be a duellist style fighter like the rogue can.. (there is a feat that allow you CA even when you arent distracted (like in a duel and just like the avengers focus)

I guess I do like the Divine theme going on in an Avenger so that might be enough to swing that direction but man... an Avenger with Daggers??????

I'm just not recalling Paul being the sneaky mobile type fighter I'd associate with the rogue class. His fighters were definitely guerrilla-type hit and run forces, but that seems more operational vs tactical and not really tied to the small scale level of tactics of 4e combats. Of course I read Dune nigh on to 30 years ago at this point, so I could be forgetting some things.

Honestly I would actually make a pretty good argument for Paul being something like a Ranger. Knowledgeable about the environment of Dune, a master survivalist, etc. He certainly didn't follow the 4e ranger's dual-weapon type of fighting style though.

Naturally you could make a good argument for warlord as well...

I wouldn't worry about optimization. Avengers certainly can do all their stuff using a dagger. It definitely isn't the optimized weapon choice, but I think it fits pretty well. For the noble aspect I'd go with a theme, plus maybe a background element. It could be emphasized more maybe by going Avenger|Warlord (I leave it to others to consider the possible synergy here, probably kind of rough but doable).

 

[Garthanos]

Duelists arent sneaky rogues they are in your face rogues.. Now that ranger isnt that far off either... I seem to remember there were two daggers in those duels one black and one white werent they? one poisoned wasnt it?
I do usually dabble a bit in the optimization - I mean I want the bones and muscle to work.

And sure the Warlord does come in its my default nobleman in some ways.... hmmm Ranger/Warlord multiclass Bard with Seer Theme.

That bit about him being a natural with nature/survival is a good call out for the ranger..

 

[Garthanos]

The Wizard Hypnosis power sounds similar to some uses of the voice ;p

 

[AbdulAlhazred]

Duelists arent sneaky rogues they are in your face rogues.. Now that ranger isnt that far off either... I seem to remember there were two daggers in those duels one black and one white werent they? one poisoned wasnt it?
I do usually dabble a bit in the optimization - I mean I want the bones and muscle to work.

And sure the Warlord does come in its my default nobleman in some ways.... hmmm Ranger/Warlord multiclass Bard with Seer Theme.

That bit about him being a natural with nature/survival is a good call out for the ranger..

Yeah, it is a tricky one, you could go a lot of ways. Paul is sort of a 'renaissance hero'. Mentat, BG, Landstraad Noble, warrior, mystic, etc. You could use almost any class.

And yeah, you probably can make a straight up in you face duellist rogue.

Optimization is good. I just don't let it get in the way of a cool concept, too much. Not that a dagger wielding avenger HAS to be the best way to go of course...

 

[Garthanos]

Yeah, it is a tricky one, you could go a lot of ways. Paul is sort of a 'renaissance hero'. Mentat, BG, Landstraad Noble, warrior, mystic, etc. You could use almost any class.

And yeah, you probably can make a straight up in you face duellist rogue.

Optimization is good. I just don't let it get in the way of a cool concept, too much. Not that a dagger wielding avenger HAS to be the best way to go of course...

Not straight up duellist but it works for a core fighting style mobile in your face dagger wielder.. I like the bringing mentat in to the picture... either as melee training or intelligent blademaster

The shields that are really good against missiles and gun fire... but less so against melee fighting are a convention to make high tech melee fighters practical...

Your ranger idea now has my brain for the moment...

 

[Neonchameleon]

For "Charismatic Rennaisance man" I'd go for a Bard. Especially if he's also a leader. You have the prescience right in the class description, you have the Voice easily obtainable, Guiding Strike is superb for duelling.

 

[AbdulAlhazred]

Yeah, bard certainly is a pretty good idea too.

 

[Garthanos]

Bard certainly shows some possibility .. and right off the bat it was my multiclass thought (for prescience and the voice - at least flavor wise)- umm missing how is guiding strike duelling related?