I Need some Big-Time help (Issue: Alignment, DM, PCs)

[DEFCON 1]

Well in my opinion a TN character is a bit indecisive but when he needs to decide he sides on the side which he thinks that is right.

Sure, playing indecisive is one way to treat True Neutral... but a completely different (but no less valid) way is to play extremely assured that life and the world should remained balanced between good and evil / law and chaos. And so if he sees things leaning too far in one direction, taking decisive steps to counter that is important and effective in maintaining that balance.

If talking with the old man because you thought he was the dragon was part of a plan to maintain a balanced outlook for yourself, the party, and the people as a whole... there was nothing wrong with that decision.

 

[Hussar]

Nothing really much to add here but this:

After some walking for Barbarianvill we encountered PC3's latest character who died after a Frost Wurm explosion an hour into the session.

made me giggle. Nice.

Life is too short for bad gaming. If you're not having fun, dump it like a bad habit. Don't forget that there are other options, like virtual tabletop play, where you don't have to deal with this sort of crap.

 

[Ragmon]

Sure, playing indecisive is one way to treat True Neutral... but a completely different (but no less valid) way is to play extremely assured that life and the world should remained balanced between good and evil / law and chaos. And so if he sees things leaning too far in one direction, taking decisive steps to counter that is important and effective in maintaining that balance.

If talking with the old man because you thought he was the dragon was part of a plan to maintain a balanced outlook for yourself, the party, and the people as a whole... there was nothing wrong with that decision.

Yes and the balance part is part of it too, wanted to mention it, but its hard to play the balance guy, since well the party will be the one on the wining side, and PC1 milking the crusader and the tome of battle for everything its got. XD

My ranger went back to talk with the dragon cause we didnt know he was the dragon, and we needed to talk with the dragon. So to not lose time I wished to go back, and let the group venture on for a day or 2.

 

[Ragmon]

Nothing really much to add here but this:



made me giggle. Nice.

Life is too short for bad gaming. If you're not having fun, dump it like a bad habit. Don't forget that there are other options, like virtual tabletop play, where you don't have to deal with this sort of crap.

Well there were no real problems up till this point, then the "camel's back snapped" and the DM and PC1 flipped out on my doing something... So i wouldn't call it bad gaming, just maybe a bad campaign run for me... where i did not wish to question PC1's action so we can have fun, and not come to this point.

 

[Gronin]

Well there were no real problems up till this point, then the "camel's back snapped" and the DM and PC1 flipped out on my doing something... So i wouldn't call it bad gaming, just maybe a bad campaign run for me... where i did not wish to question PC1's action so we can have fun, and not come to this point.

Suppressing yourself so that someone else can be a star is not helping either of you.

There is a poem by Marianne Williamson that says it more clearly than I. It is called "Our Deepest Fear" Below is an exerpt.

......
Your playing small does not serve the world.
There is nothing enlightened about shrinking
so that other people won't feel insecure around you.
.......


I would suggest that your group needs to find a way to allow everyone to spend time in the spotlight and perhaps get rid of alignment in its entirety. We (the group I game with) no longer play 3.5 but when we did we removed alignment from the game. Clerics and Paladins had to follow the ways of their paticular gods and the rest of us followed our own moral code.

In closing I would like to repeat if you think things are worth salvaging then by all means work towards that goal, but if you cannot change things to the point where you are all having a good time then it is probably best to cut your loses and move on.

Life is too short to spend a significant portion of it doing something that you don't enjoy.

Again best of luck to you.

 

[Dausuul]

#1. You appear to have been booted from the game.
#2. Given the behavior of the DM and the other players, you should thank your lucky stars for this.
#3. I'm with Hussar, I think life is too short for bad gaming, but if you disagree then an apology is probably the right starting point. After that, I suggest you explain to the DM how you intend to play your character and say, "My alignment is whatever is consistent with this behavior." Then let him declare your alignment to be whatever the heck he wants it to be and change it if he thinks your behavior is inconsistent.

 

[Traveon Wyvernspur]

1) I agree with the other posters that say you've been booted from game for some reason, probably your DM's disagreement with how you ran your alignment - of which I absolutely disagree with him about TN being the hardest alignment to play.
2) I'd have to give the hardest to GM to the CN characters who usually are just plain old batsh*t crazy characters with no morals whatsoever and just act upon a whim and in my experience are much worse to GM than evil aligned. Personally, unaligned or true neutral characters that I've played or GM'd can do what they feel to be in their own best interest at the time. I like that you played him very introspectively and considered things carefully before deciding what to do, that differentiated you from being a chaotic neutral character, this is my opinion and how I feel the way things should be done in my own games.
3) If you aren't in this group any longer, look to the internet perhaps? Try some gaming using maptools, skype, and other things that would allow you to continue your passion without a bad group of players who don't know the rules of alignment. I don't know exactly where you live or what the gaming community is like there, but if there are comic book stores or gaming stores, perhaps you can try to put out feelers to see if anyone is interested in a new group, maybe even steal the friend of yours who you like from your former group to join you and get something going together.

 

[Ragmon]

Suppressing yourself so that someone else can be a star is not helping either of you.

There is a poem by Marianne Williamson that says it more clearly than I. It is called "Our Deepest Fear" Below is an exerpt.

......
Your playing small does not serve the world.
There is nothing enlightened about shrinking
so that other people won't feel insecure around you.
.......


I would suggest that your group needs to find a way to allow everyone to spend time in the spotlight and perhaps get rid of alignment in its entirety. We (the group I game with) no longer play 3.5 but when we did we removed alignment from the game. Clerics and Paladins had to follow the ways of their paticular gods and the rest of us followed our own moral code.

In closing I would like to repeat if you think things are worth salvaging then by all means work towards that goal, but if you cannot change things to the point where you are all having a good time then it is probably best to cut your loses and move on.

Life is too short to spend a significant portion of it doing something that you don't enjoy.

Again best of luck to you.

Well i don't exactly let PC1 be the star, I let the "group" to play freely, without much involvement. For instance I like PC3's actions and real immersion during the sessions. And to let the new guy, PC2 to play and get a feel for the game slowly.
The only problem I see is PC1 being a jerk, and since the DM doesn't want any conflict he lets him do his annoying acts.

Thank you for the advice.