Do you want/are you ready for a D&D 5th edition?

[Olaf the Stout]

I'd say that I'm ready for 5th edition, but don't necessarily want/need it at the moment.

My group is just about to finish a 3 year 3.5E D&D campaign (Shackled City AP) and will likely start another 1-2 year 3.5E D&D campaign soon after.

I have only played 4E in a PbP game that lasted all of about 3 combats. My other experience was a one-shot I ran of Gamma World, which uses simplified 4E rules.

Our group is fine with 3.5E, but I'm interested in seeing what WotC have learnt from the past 2 editions and what they might be able to come up with next. A new edition would probably also help to draw some new people to the game (let's face it, new stuff is what gets many people to try a game out).

Olaf the Stout

 

[TheAuldGrump]

And the battles between Grogn3rds and Br4ts continues....

Honestly, I think that the majority of 4e players switched to the new edition to see what it was like, and liked it enough to stay. Why they started might not be why they still play.

Are they having fun? Then they are playing a game they like.

They aren't having fun? Why are they still playing 4e? Oh, they aren't? Then why bring it up?

It does not matter why they first tried out a given game, if they enjoy it... let 'em play!

I don't like 4e. I will likely never like 4e. But if no one is telling me that I am having bad-wrong-fun for not liking it, then I don't care. I am more concerned about what effect WotC is likely to have on the industry than about whether 4e is fun for Bob down the street. Bob is having fun? Let him play.

The Auld Grump

 

[Nemesis Destiny]

And the battles between Grogn3rds and Br4ts continues....

Honestly, I think that the majority of 4e players switched to the new edition to see what it was like, and liked it enough to stay. Why they started might not be why they still play.

Are they having fun? Then they are playing a game they like.

They aren't having fun? Why are they still playing 4e? Oh, they aren't? Then why bring it up?

It does not matter why they first tried out a given game, if they enjoy it... let 'em play!

I don't like 4e. I will likely never like 4e. But if no one is telling me that I am having bad-wrong-fun for not liking it, then I don't care. I am more concerned about what effect WotC is likely to have on the industry than about whether 4e is fun for Bob down the street. Bob is having fun? Let him play.

The Auld Grump

That would be fine it that's how it worked. But we both know there are plenty of 3vangelists and 4uthoritarians out there constantly trying to push their views on the other side. It's annoying and I would really prefer if it stopped.

It's actually to the point where most of the time, I steer clear of General because of the hostility (which feels generally more pointed at the 4e camp in here). There is almost a prevailing attitude that it's ok to criticize one, but not the other.

 

[TheAuldGrump]

That would be fine it that's how it worked. But we both know there are plenty of 4vangelists and 4uthoritarians out there constantly trying to push their views on the other side. It's annoying and I would really prefer if it stopped.

It's actually to the point where most of the time, I steer clear of General because of the hostility (which feels generally more pointed at the 4e camp in here). There is almost a prevailing attitude that it's ok to criticize one, but not the other.

But most F4nboyz and F3n aren't that bad. There are some 4e f4ns here that I would rather bounce ideas off of than deal with some of the J3rks, even if I am a Grogn3rd.

The Auld Grump - oh, the Grogn3rd and the F4nboy should be friends....

 

[Nemesis Destiny]

But most F4nboyz and F3n aren't that bad.

I agree. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch though. One person being aggressive and all up in everyone's grill, without being moderated when perhaps they should. It's sad, but true.

There are some 4e f4ns here that I would rather bounce ideas off of than deal with some of the J3rks, even if I am a Grogn3rd.

The Auld Grump - oh, the Grogn3rd and the F4nboy should be friends....

Likewise and Agreed. Cheers

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

That exchange was both Christmasy for most of us and utterly ordinary for the R/G colorblind.

...and difficult for the dyslexic.

 

[JamesonCourage]

It's actually to the point where most of the time, I steer clear of General because of the hostility (which feels generally more pointed at the 4e camp in here). There is almost a prevailing attitude that it's ok to criticize one, but not the other.

Subjective impression and all, but I'd disagree with this. I guess only the mods probably have an idea, and even then I'm guessing it would publicly come down to "both sides do it" (which is true).

Funny how likes flavor perceptions. I might be wrong because of it.

 

[Derren]

No idea how (if?) I should vote.

I dislike 4E and think its a board game and no RPG so I would be very happy to see it go away (Yes vote) but after the 4E fiasco it is very unlikely that 5E will turn out well enough to be actually worth coming back (No vote).

So where is the "Don't care because I am finished with (new editions of) D&D"?

 

[Nemesis Destiny]

Subjective impression and all, but I'd disagree with this. I guess only the mods probably have an idea, and even then I'm guessing it would publicly come down to "both sides do it" (which is true).

Funny how likes flavor perceptions. I might be wrong because of it.

I agree, that both sides do it, no doubt. To what degree it actually happens one side versus the other, I don't actually know, but it does colour one's perceptions of it.

The first part of my statement that you quoted is pretty hard to refute though - there is hostility (on both sides), and it doesn't exactly extend the welcome mat in General. All it takes is one jerk.

And truth be told, like it says on my sig, I am on nobody's side. I don't crusade for One True Edition. I like this game in all its incarnations (granted, to varying degrees). If I appear to come out on a given side, it's because I end up, more often than not, on the defensive with regards to misconceptions folks may have about 4e, and generalizations about it (some of which are just objectively wrong).

I would do the same thing for 3.x, or PF, or AD&D, or whatever, but such misconceptions and generalizations are, or seem to be, much less prevalent. That, and I don't discuss them much these days, since I am not currently playing them (though I would!). Partly because, if for no other reason, they've been around longer, and probably most D&D fans have at least played through one or more previous editions (I know there are exceptions).

 

[JamesonCourage]

The first part of my statement that you quoted is pretty hard to refute though - there is hostility (on both sides), and it doesn't exactly extend the welcome mat in General. All it takes is one jerk.

Oh no, I'd never try to refute your actions based on your perceptions. I'd definitely even agree that this forum can get pretty hostile at times. However, I find these boards incredibly well moderated compared to, well, pretty much everywhere else on the internet, and I like this forum the most in terms of topic range. I actually prefer the 4e forum over the Legacy forum because of the difference in civility, even if I find the topics less applicable to my games (though still quite interesting at times).

If I appear to come out on a given side, it's because I end up, more often than not, on the defensive with regards to misconceptions folks may have about 4e, and generalizations about it (some of which are just objectively wrong).

Understandable. There's definitely some of that on these boards.

I would do the same thing for 3.x, or PF, or AD&D, or whatever, but such misconceptions and generalizations are, or seem to be, much less prevalent. That, and I don't discuss them much these days, since I am not currently playing them (though I would!). Partly because, if for no other reason, they've been around longer, and probably most D&D fans have at least played through one or more previous editions (I know there are exceptions).

That all makes sense. I think that 3.X still gets a bad rap some of the time (which you seem to agree with), what with "casters ruined the game" and so on. But, hey, not like people don't take cheap shots at 4e either (subjective shots at that). I just don't know if I'd say that there's "almost a prevailing attitude that it's ok to criticize one, but not the other", as you did. I think that's where we diverge. I've seen plenty of times where the edition wars flared up, especially when I first joined this site nearly a year ago (with Prof C and others trying to pile on 3.X).

At any rate, I'm not accusing you of anything; I was just stating that my perceptions didn't match, but that I might very well be biased. Thanks for the civil and thoughtful reply. As always, play what you like