Do you want/are you ready for a D&D 5th edition?

[Nemesis Destiny]

At any rate, I'm not accusing you of anything; I was just stating that my perceptions didn't match, but that I might very well be biased. Thanks for the civil and thoughtful reply. As always, play what you like

Fair enough, and I think we are on the same page, perception mismatch aside.

I do know what you mean - the name drop rang some bells. There are definitely a few feisty 4e folk, and some that are downright rude. I cringe when I see it, because they're not doing folks like me, who are trying to remain neutral (-ish) and bridge the gap caused by edition warring, any favours.

I also appreciate the civil reply. Cheers, and Game On!

 

[JamesonCourage]

I do know what you mean - the name drop rang some bells. There are definitely a few feisty 4e folk, and some that are downright rude. I cringe when I see it, because they're not doing folks like me, who are trying to remain neutral (-ish) and bridge the gap caused by edition warring, any favours.

I know how you feel. All too often when I'm debating a point in casual conversation (but not arguing) I find I have someone agree with me (opinion validated!), only to hear their rather suboptimal and damaging reasoning (opinion hurt!).

I also appreciate the civil reply. Cheers, and Game On!

I can't XP back, so we'll just say I owe you one. Game on, indeed

 

[TheAuldGrump]

One way to recognize The Enemy(TM) is that they tend to post on their opposite boards. There is at least one Pr4t that goes over to the Pathfinder area now and again.

I don't frequent the 4e boards, so I don't know if he has a J3rk counterpart.

The Auld Grump

 

[Nemesis Destiny]

One way to recognize The Enemy(TM) is that they tend to post on their opposite boards. There is at least one Prat that goes over to the Pathfinder area now and again.

I don't frequent the 4e boards, so I don't know if he has a J3rk counterpart.

The Auld Grump

The last time we had one was a long time ago (many months). Started a thread insulting 4e and got threadlocked very promptly. Seemed like a very obvious troll; low post count, bad english, etc. Nobody took the bait. I think they call that a 0/10.

 

[billd91]

That all makes sense. I think that 3.X still gets a bad rap some of the time (which you seem to agree with), what with "casters ruined the game" and so on. But, hey, not like people don't take cheap shots at 4e either (subjective shots at that). I just don't know if I'd say that there's "almost a prevailing attitude that it's ok to criticize one, but not the other", as you did. I think that's where we diverge. I've seen plenty of times where the edition wars flared up, especially when I first joined this site nearly a year ago (with Prof C and others trying to pile on 3.X).

There is a weird chip that some people have developed on their shoulders that editions before 4e (and it's been a mix, not just 3x) are somehow not subject to cheap shots or criticism. I can assure you relative newcomers that 3x has been roundly criticized up and down the place in various levels of vitriol since ENWorld was established. I think if it looks like 4e takes a lot more shots these days, that's more because it's the new kid on the block. Criticism directed at it is a whole lot more fresh and relevant than criticism directed at 3.0, for example.

EDIT: Before ENWorld was established, really, since this grew out of Eric Noah's 3e News site. And there were people critical of the design directions WotC took on 3e then.